# 100 DD ans still alive? **URL:** \ **Category:** C2\ **Created:** [January 23, 2016, 11:48pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/100-dd-ans-still-alive/8406 "2016-01-23T23:48:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![tsvika\_elberger](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/tsvika_elberger/32/238_2.png) [@tsvika\_elberger](https://forums.collective2.com/u/tsvika_elberger)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2016, 11:48pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/100-dd-ans-still-alive/8406/1 "2016-01-23T23:48:18Z")
I look at the Leading Trading Strategies sort by gains and found:TwistSTM3 as new first on the list (yes i am there next too) [https://collective2.com/details/90483537](https://collective2.com/details/90483537) with 100% DDD and point where the account is $-107,021 how this system can gat alive and mimik Real life trading?? if i trade the same system with real money when i get to “0” the game is over so 1382.4% is not real…or i miss something? as far as i understand a 100% DD is lost system and can’t start again like less DD systems… thanks ---
**Author:** ![tsvika\_elberger](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/tsvika_elberger/32/238_2.png) [@tsvika\_elberger](https://forums.collective2.com/u/tsvika_elberger)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2016, 11:52pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/100-dd-ans-still-alive/8406/2 "2016-01-23T23:52:59Z")
second question: when you see this: Chance of 10% account loss 100.00% Chance of 20% account loss 100.00% Chance of 30% account loss 100.00% Chance of 40% account loss 100.00% Chance of 50% account loss 100.00% how could system with 100% DD get C2 high score - it unbelivable that c2 score ignore 100% DD and other bad risk-reward parameters C2 Score = 95.2 ---
**Author:** ![c2-auto-trader](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/c2-auto-trader/32/21425_2.png) [@c2-auto-trader](https://forums.collective2.com/u/c2-auto-trader)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2016, 5:42am UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/100-dd-ans-still-alive/8406/3 "2016-01-24T05:42:23Z")
In my Leading strategies list sorted by gains you are on 1st and 2nd places. And system you mentioned above has dd of 54.7%. Interesting. ---
**Author:** ![tsvika\_elberger](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/tsvika_elberger/32/238_2.png) [@tsvika\_elberger](https://forums.collective2.com/u/tsvika_elberger)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2016, 7:25am UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/100-dd-ans-still-alive/8406/4 "2016-01-24T07:25:44Z")
It’s more strange - the data change every hour ?? ---
**Author:** ![tsvika\_elberger](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/tsvika_elberger/32/238_2.png) [@tsvika\_elberger](https://forums.collective2.com/u/tsvika_elberger)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2016, 9:06am UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/100-dd-ans-still-alive/8406/5 "2016-01-24T09:06:51Z")
Yesterday the data was i said before. The system was with 1382% gains and 100% DD It’s good that i capture rhe screen. Anyway if you Check the Risk of ruin you still see 100% the chance to 10-50% chance of account lost So how the system on sanday have totally another numbers from the day before?? ![](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/uploads/collective2/2231/4ad1147abebbec87.jpg) ? ---
**Author:** ![tsvika\_elberger](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/tsvika_elberger/32/238_2.png) [@tsvika\_elberger](https://forums.collective2.com/u/tsvika_elberger)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2016, 9:10am UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/100-dd-ans-still-alive/8406/6 "2016-01-24T09:10:14Z")
C2 Score could be many things but i think its can’t ignore risk parameters which are the most important factor that people sometimes ignore. We should Trust in something. some people trust God, some use C2 score i trust myself only (90% of time). ---
**Author:** ![carzxxz](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/carzxxz/32/594_2.png) [@carzxxz](https://forums.collective2.com/u/carzxxz)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2016, 4:23pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/100-dd-ans-still-alive/8406/7 "2016-01-24T16:23:03Z")
Tsvika, I can verify the stats for TwistSTM3 are as you indicated because I checked the system a few minutes after your post. As I recall it also had an intra-day drawdown of around -$132K at some point. I was amazed the system had functioned with negative net equity over some days. However, when I checked back a short time later the system had “magically” transformed to its current state. I also saw some outlandish stats for Genefish Hong Kong a short time after the system was re-scaled a while back so maybe a C2 software bug is responsible? ---
**Author:** ![MatthewKlein](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/matthewklein/32/21382_2.png) [@MatthewKlein](https://forums.collective2.com/u/MatthewKlein)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2016, 4:59pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/100-dd-ans-still-alive/8406/8 "2016-01-24T16:59:38Z")
Guys - Nothing mysterious going on here. When Tsvika made his post I examined the stats and trading record, and I saw that there were a handful of forex trades that had quantities that were not possible. I manually went back and removed the erroneous quantities. I am currently looking into how the quantities were generated. (I don’t yet have an answer, but will communicate directly with the strategy developer.) On a more general note: even though trades on C2 are labeled as hypothetical, I consider it my responsibility to ensure that all trading records are as accurate and realistic as possible. When I see something that is obviously the result of either a data import error, or some other software error, I try to take quick action to bring the track record into line with reality. Tsvika’s original post brought this to my attention. Matthew ---
**Author:** ![MatthewKlein](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/matthewklein/32/21382_2.png) [@MatthewKlein](https://forums.collective2.com/u/MatthewKlein)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2016, 3:36pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/100-dd-ans-still-alive/8406/10 "2016-01-25T15:36:42Z")