# A Collective experience? **URL:** \ **Category:** C2\ **Created:** [June 22, 2008, 11:53am UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/a-collective-experience/4541 "2008-06-22T11:53:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![MILINDJESTE2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/73ab20/32.png) [@MILINDJESTE2](https://forums.collective2.com/u/MILINDJESTE2)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2008, 11:53am UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/a-collective-experience/4541/1 "2008-06-22T11:53:34Z")
Hello, Most of us have been using demo’s for autotrades using C2 systems. OR many prefer to get through the signals and manually place the trades. What i need to know is what are the REAL ACCOUNT(with the minimum amount used for trades thru’ C2 and trading platform used) successes and profit/losses, especially draw downs on various systems being used and if they could share their real-trading figures and details,for members to try out those systems or judge them… ---
**Author:** ![MatthewKlein](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/matthewklein/32/21382_2.png) [@MatthewKlein](https://forums.collective2.com/u/MatthewKlein)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2008, 12:20pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/a-collective-experience/4541/2 "2008-06-22T12:20:53Z")
This feature is available. For systems where AutoTrades have been placed in real accounts, you can click a link that says: SHOW REAL-LIFE FILLS… You will then see fill prices as actually executed in the real brokerage accounts. ---
**Author:** ![ironcito](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/ironcito/32/1487_2.png) [@ironcito](https://forums.collective2.com/u/ironcito)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2008, 5:55pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/a-collective-experience/4541/3 "2008-06-22T17:55:56Z")
Matthew, does that filter out, for example, trading on an IB paper account using TradeBullet or Trader68? What about custom software? Specifically in the autotrade API, we are _required_ to report fills, but there is no way for us to specify if the fill was real or simulated. Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![MatthewKlein](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/matthewklein/32/21382_2.png) [@MatthewKlein](https://forums.collective2.com/u/MatthewKlein)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2008, 11:16pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/a-collective-experience/4541/4 "2008-06-22T23:16:22Z")
Correct. We filter out all API and Gen1 AutoTrade fill reports. This execution data is not included in the AutoTrade results for exactly the reason you surmise: we can’t rely on the reporting software to accurately determine if a fill is in a real or simulated account. ---
**Author:** ![EuNew](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/eunew/32/1487_2.png) [@EuNew](https://forums.collective2.com/u/EuNew)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2008, 8:13am UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/a-collective-experience/4541/5 "2008-06-23T08:13:42Z")
_We filter out all API and Gen1 AutoTrade fill reports._ Do I understand correct? Are you filtering out all Gen1 fills? You can easy recognize simulation account by account number for some brokers. It might be more logical to filter out only gen1 fills from brokers where you’re not able recognize simulation accounts. Eu ---
**Author:** ![MatthewKlein](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/matthewklein/32/21382_2.png) [@MatthewKlein](https://forums.collective2.com/u/MatthewKlein)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2008, 8:34am UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/a-collective-experience/4541/6 "2008-06-23T08:34:28Z")
Which is what we do, Eu. ---
**Author:** ![EuNew](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/eunew/32/1487_2.png) [@EuNew](https://forums.collective2.com/u/EuNew)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2008, 8:44am UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/a-collective-experience/4541/7 "2008-06-23T08:44:05Z")
thank you for the clarification. Eu ---
**Author:** ![ironcito](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/ironcito/32/1487_2.png) [@ironcito](https://forums.collective2.com/u/ironcito)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2008, 2:08pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/a-collective-experience/4541/8 "2008-06-23T14:08:44Z")
But the autotrading API doesn’t report the broker account name/number back to C2. In fact, it often doesn’t know such information itself. So effectively _all_ Gen1 fills are ignored for track-record purposes, aren’t they? ---
**Author:** ![MatthewKlein](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/matthewklein/32/21382_2.png) [@MatthewKlein](https://forums.collective2.com/u/MatthewKlein)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2008, 2:15pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/a-collective-experience/4541/9 "2008-06-23T14:15:53Z")
Yes.