# Any good systems left? **URL:** \ **Category:** Trading and Markets\ **Created:** [December 17, 2018, 10:22pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/any-good-systems-left/12495 "2018-12-17T22:22:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![TT40](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/tt40/32/10610_2.png) [@TT40](https://forums.collective2.com/u/TT40)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2018, 10:22pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/any-good-systems-left/12495/1 "2018-12-17T22:22:58Z")
All the systems that did well last year are all gone, most have failed. I don’t think successful traders have time to be on C2 , when they are trading their own account. I still have nightmares thinking about the blow up with MCprotrader, you guys when remember that one, lost everything over night. ---
**Author:** ![AlgoSystems](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/algosystems/32/12306_2.png) [@AlgoSystems](https://forums.collective2.com/u/AlgoSystems)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2018, 10:49pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/any-good-systems-left/12495/2 "2018-12-17T22:49:04Z")
I remember that one… The ones left are those that return less than 50% annually most likely. (with a few exceptions) ---
**Author:** ![Jay\_Wolberg](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/jay_wolberg/32/2959_2.png) [@Jay\_Wolberg](https://forums.collective2.com/u/Jay_Wolberg)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2018, 7:40pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/any-good-systems-left/12495/3 "2018-12-18T19:40:43Z")
It’s a bargain. > **[VXX Bias](https://collective2.com/details/100707640)** > > VXX Bias - trading strategy on Collective2 ---
**Author:** ![JeffreyTong](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/jeffreytong/32/1487_2.png) [@JeffreyTong](https://forums.collective2.com/u/JeffreyTong)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2018, 12:52am UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/any-good-systems-left/12495/4 "2018-12-19T00:52:28Z")
I wish I had followed this strategy for the past 6 months… > **[MWTech](https://collective2.com/details/119050838)** > > MWTech - trading strategy on Collective2 ---
**Author:** ![v1Trader](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/v1trader/32/1487_2.png) [@v1Trader](https://forums.collective2.com/u/v1Trader)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2018, 6:17am UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/any-good-systems-left/12495/5 "2018-12-19T06:17:07Z")
I’ve never traded forex, but in a ~$20k account, MWTech sometimes has 20-30-40 contracts held (see 11-14 entries, for example). Isn’t that a lot of leverage? ---
**Author:** ![MarekJ](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/marekj/32/638_2.png) [@MarekJ](https://forums.collective2.com/u/MarekJ)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2018, 6:31am UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/any-good-systems-left/12495/6 "2018-12-19T06:31:31Z")
20x leverage is … Just use imagination, 1% currency movement against your position will end up 20% loss. And I’m not talking about flash crashes (read link [https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-markets-currencies-study/a-flash-crash-in-fx-markets-occurs-once-every-two-weeks-pragma-idUKKBN1E11FX](https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-markets-currencies-study/a-flash-crash-in-fx-markets-occurs-once-every-two-weeks-pragma-idUKKBN1E11FX)). The problem with most developers and subscribers is zero knowledge/imagination about risk. ---
**Author:** ![FarhanSaadiq](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/farhansaadiq/32/12306_2.png) [@FarhanSaadiq](https://forums.collective2.com/u/FarhanSaadiq)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2018, 7:06am UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/any-good-systems-left/12495/7 "2018-12-19T07:06:28Z")
> [@JeffreyTong](#): > > I wish I had followed this strategy for the past 6 months… You have the option to follow it for next 6 months 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![JeffreyTong](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/jeffreytong/32/1487_2.png) [@JeffreyTong](https://forums.collective2.com/u/JeffreyTong)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2018, 12:03pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/any-good-systems-left/12495/8 "2018-12-19T12:03:20Z")
You may want to study how MWTech trades before drawing the conclusion, subscribers can scale down and set stop loss limits to control risks. If you found another strategy out there showing the same stats (Sharpe Ratio: 4.5, DD \<20%, 70% winning rate, 122% returns since this July) please share to the audience, I believe the intent of this chat was to share point of views of good systems that are left after a bad year for trading. ---
**Author:** ![fiveHedged](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/fivehedged/32/12306_2.png) [@fiveHedged](https://forums.collective2.com/u/fiveHedged)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2018, 4:50pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/any-good-systems-left/12495/9 "2018-12-19T16:50:51Z")
Dare I shamefully add fiveHedged strategy to the discussion - near fully hedged, five-stock portfolio, surviving current downturn (quite well I might add!)… Goal = gradual growth, deep-value stocks, max 2x leverage, and did I say hedged? > **[fiveHedged](https://collective2.com/details/120570047)** > > fiveHedged - trading strategy on Collective2 ---
**Author:** ![AlgoSystems](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/algosystems/32/12306_2.png) [@AlgoSystems](https://forums.collective2.com/u/AlgoSystems)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2018, 6:50pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/any-good-systems-left/12495/10 "2018-12-19T18:50:56Z")
Statistically a larger number of strategies will fail versus successful strategies. In the longer term, only conservative strategies have the highest chance of survival. Strategies that over leverage can make huge quick profits but will fail in the longer term when market conditions change unless there is some kind of edge. Also, many of the strategies in C2 tend to average down and even double down which require real expertise and a hard stop which most don’t seem to have. The fact that current market conditions are volatile will only expedite the losses. Under one directional markets many strategies can thrive and even look amazing. ---
**Author:** ![aum108](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/aum108/32/22740_2.png) [@aum108](https://forums.collective2.com/u/aum108)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2018, 1:07am UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/any-good-systems-left/12495/11 "2018-12-20T01:07:29Z")
I wanted to subscribe to the strategy “Daytrading Income” (not making any recommendation here) [https://collective2.com/profile/120470973](https://collective2.com/profile/120470973) It looked very promising, but when you click on the strategy link, the “system is not available” anymore. [https://collective2.com/details/120471017](https://collective2.com/details/120471017) Anyone knows what happened? ---
**Author:** ![TT40](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/tt40/32/10610_2.png) [@TT40](https://forums.collective2.com/u/TT40)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2018, 2:33am UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/any-good-systems-left/12495/12 "2018-12-20T02:33:22Z")
It means the system went bust. ---
**Author:** ![carzxxz](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/carzxxz/32/594_2.png) [@carzxxz](https://forums.collective2.com/u/carzxxz)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2018, 5:16am UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/any-good-systems-left/12495/13 "2018-12-20T05:16:06Z")
It appears he capped the number of subs. He sent a message out on December 12th to those who attempted to join the previous evening: You received a message on Collective2 from DayTradingIncome. Sent: 2018-12-12 09:06:34 ET Good morning. At the moment, I am not taking new clients. Thank you for your interest. At this time, I will remove all the accounts that joined overnight. If you are interested, please check in periodically to see if anything has changed. ---
**Author:** ![MAP](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/map/32/2650_2.png) [@MAP](https://forums.collective2.com/u/MAP)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2018, 6:49am UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/any-good-systems-left/12495/14 "2018-12-20T06:49:35Z")
Here (Collective 2) I have 2 systems for the forex market and currency futures CME Group: 1. My system “PFSignal com” (forex - GBPUSD, EURUSD, AUDUSD, USDJPY, USDCAD, USDCHF) > **[PFSignal com](https://collective2.com/details/116744132)** > > PFSignal com - trading strategy on Collective2 1. My system “Myfxmap com” (currency futures CME Group - @AD, @CD, @EU, @BP, @ JY, @SF) > **[Myfxmap com](https://collective2.com/details/117695605)** > > Myfxmap com - trading strategy on Collective2 Michael ---
**Author:** ![Robert\_Peterson](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/robert_peterson/32/11582_2.png) [@Robert\_Peterson](https://forums.collective2.com/u/Robert_Peterson)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2018, 7:01pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/any-good-systems-left/12495/15 "2018-12-20T19:01:16Z")
TT40: I think you need to explain out what you mean by “Good”. Do you mean performance only, performance relative to S&P, performance relative to risk, low DD, good money management… Maybe all together… Define what looks important to you and then can be professionally addressed to the question … Of course, always, in the end, investment is a subjective matter 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![TT40](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/tt40/32/10610_2.png) [@TT40](https://forums.collective2.com/u/TT40)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2018, 8:07pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/any-good-systems-left/12495/16 "2018-12-20T20:07:28Z")
What I mean is consistent gains with proper money management, and a track record of over a year. ---
**Author:** ![aum108](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/aum108/32/22740_2.png) [@aum108](https://forums.collective2.com/u/aum108)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2018, 9:38pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/any-good-systems-left/12495/17 "2018-12-20T21:38:01Z")
> [@TT40](#): > > It means the system went bust. Actually, it was doing very well… but it was less than 2 months old, so way too early to subscribe and follow with real money. > [@carzxxz](#): > > It appears he capped the number of subs. He sent a message out on December 12th to those who attempted to join the previous evening: > You received a message on Collective2 from DayTradingIncome. > Sent: 2018-12-12 09:06:34 ET > Good morning. At the moment, I am not taking new clients. Thank you for your interest. At this time, I will remove all the accounts that joined overnight. If you are interested, please check in periodically to see if anything has changed. Thanks for the information. That’s very unfortunate for those C2-members who were only simulating & testing this strategy. Usually I wait a few months before I subscribe, just because most strategies do fail within the first few months. . Is it still trading right now? ---
**Author:** ![aum108](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/aum108/32/22740_2.png) [@aum108](https://forums.collective2.com/u/aum108)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2018, 9:42pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/any-good-systems-left/12495/18 "2018-12-20T21:42:43Z")
> [@TT40](#): > > What I mean is consistent gains with proper money management, and a track record of over a year. Yep, that’s what we are all looking for… the holy grail of investments. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![JohnSwing](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/johnswing/32/12306_2.png) [@JohnSwing](https://forums.collective2.com/u/JohnSwing)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2018, 5:56pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/any-good-systems-left/12495/19 "2018-12-30T17:56:43Z")
Hope I can answer you in 8 months 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![PegasiCapital](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/pegasicapital/32/12665_2.png) [@PegasiCapital](https://forums.collective2.com/u/PegasiCapital)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2018, 8:36pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/any-good-systems-left/12495/20 "2018-12-30T20:36:12Z")
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