# ARK 2 strategy in the huge lose **URL:** \ **Category:** Trading and Markets\ **Created:** [October 13, 2022, 7:33am UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/ark-2-strategy-in-the-huge-lose/15825 "2022-10-13T07:33:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![JimGates](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/jimgates/32/13320_2.png) [@JimGates](https://forums.collective2.com/u/JimGates)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 7:33am UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/ark-2-strategy-in-the-huge-lose/15825/1 "2022-10-13T07:33:28Z")
![ARK2](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/uploads/collective2/original/3X/c/f/cf756dd456b50d110397bca6af66043b4fc73136.png) I wonder why this “OLD-NEW” ru member react like this in trading without closing losing trades each time when market is going down ![arkkm](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/uploads/collective2/original/3X/e/0/e086daf5f04eb07ba2fb386e5e5210bd150073df.png) ---
**Author:** ![Peter](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/peter/32/238_2.png) [@Peter](https://forums.collective2.com/u/Peter)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 5:13pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/ark-2-strategy-in-the-huge-lose/15825/2 "2022-10-13T17:13:06Z")
All marti grids fail - eventually…amazing how many still get sucked into these dangerous systems still, but the temptation of double-digit growth months is too much for many I guess. To add more credibility to C2 ( as every fund collapse should be considered as a failure) platform, it would be worth checking the reviews, and include an additional caption that those views have been validated as genuine or not as the case may be… by checking the IP addresses being used. ---
**Author:** ![DogZebra\_Investing](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/dogzebra_investing/32/5086_2.png) [@DogZebra\_Investing](https://forums.collective2.com/u/DogZebra_Investing)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 5:57pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/ark-2-strategy-in-the-huge-lose/15825/3 "2022-10-13T17:57:29Z")
This is what this guy “Michael” does. Creates a gently rising equity curve by using a martingale like approach, but eventually it collapses like all of his systems in the past. This is why he is not TOS. No capital at risk, just makes fees off of investors until his systems blow up. He then creates a new profile with identical systems, names them something else and in a month or two he’s back in business with new victims, er, “investors”. Tried to warn folks 6 months ago. Oh well. I’ll be curious what he names his new systems… > [@Ark1 Information](https://forums.collective2.com/t/ark1-information/15561/18): > > See above. PFSignal, Medallion, Delta… the Ark1 guy has a ton of old systems that did the exact same thing. They blow up every time. Then he creates a new profile under some new name and starts again. Haven’t looked but he probably has a ton of subscribers who don’t realize this. Would stay FAR away. Good luck. ---
**Author:** ![JimGates](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/jimgates/32/13320_2.png) [@JimGates](https://forums.collective2.com/u/JimGates)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 6:08pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/ark-2-strategy-in-the-huge-lose/15825/4 "2022-10-13T18:08:41Z")
yes. ![Screenshot_1142](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/uploads/collective2/original/3X/7/7/7743079decb63ce369e2f046f72b3390445931ee.png) ---
**Author:** ![JITF](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/jitf/32/10116_2.png) [@JITF](https://forums.collective2.com/u/JITF)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 7:06pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/ark-2-strategy-in-the-huge-lose/15825/5 "2022-10-13T19:06:12Z")
Good old buddy Michael got to it again. Consistency! ---
**Author:** ![JITF](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/jitf/32/10116_2.png) [@JITF](https://forums.collective2.com/u/JITF)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 7:09pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/ark-2-strategy-in-the-huge-lose/15825/6 "2022-10-13T19:09:04Z")
> [@JimGates](#): > > I wonder why this “OLD-NEW” ru member react like this in trading without closing losing trades each time when market is going down This is the trading style which maximizes his income. ---
**Author:** ![JimGates](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/jimgates/32/13320_2.png) [@JimGates](https://forums.collective2.com/u/JimGates)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 4:31pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/ark-2-strategy-in-the-huge-lose/15825/7 "2022-10-14T16:31:58Z")
![lol ark](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/uploads/collective2/original/3X/5/b/5be27c063b2a3e3fc22ed846a06bb3b0e95dd058.png) 🤨 🤡 🤡 🤡 Michail from Russia beats all records ---
**Author:** ![DogZebra\_Investing](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/dogzebra_investing/32/5086_2.png) [@DogZebra\_Investing](https://forums.collective2.com/u/DogZebra_Investing)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2022, 1:13am UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/ark-2-strategy-in-the-huge-lose/15825/8 "2022-10-15T01:13:23Z")
Honestly it’s a stain on C2 that they keep allowing this kid to come back on, with a new profile, hide his previous returns, and lose money for investors all over again with nearly identical systems. ---
**Author:** ![JITF](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/jitf/32/10116_2.png) [@JITF](https://forums.collective2.com/u/JITF)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2022, 2:26am UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/ark-2-strategy-in-the-huge-lose/15825/9 "2022-10-15T02:26:22Z")
There is a strong demand on such type of the system from investors on C2. IMHO there is a strong demand for martingale systems in overall trading/investors community. I’ve heard much less negative responses on such systems, mostly positive responses. And failed systems are in usually considered simply unlucky skipping the main flaw. ---
**Author:** ![Peter](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/peter/32/238_2.png) [@Peter](https://forums.collective2.com/u/Peter)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2022, 1:02pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/ark-2-strategy-in-the-huge-lose/15825/10 "2022-10-15T13:02:37Z")
It is incredibly easy to be successful using marti grids for weeks, months or even years before their eventual collapse - seen it time and again on other platforms as well as C2 - which is what makes social trading platforms so dangerous; and those least familiar with the dangers of short term trading systems are being exposed to ruinous losses as a result. It is easy to assume many are in control of their investing, but all too often greed overtakes reason, which is where some form of leverage control or alternative protection measures should be considered. ---
**Author:** ![GordonGekko2](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/gordongekko2/32/17122_2.png) [@GordonGekko2](https://forums.collective2.com/u/GordonGekko2)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2022, 6:07pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/ark-2-strategy-in-the-huge-lose/15825/11 "2022-10-16T18:07:06Z")
> [@JITF](#): > > IMHO there is a strong demand for martingale systems in overall trading/investors community. You are absolutely correct, even total newbies can quickly notice that this or that trade leader is using a martingale system. And yet they stick with the strategy, sometimes for months, fully aware that these types of systems will usually generate devastating losses at some point in time. I guess some traders DO like martingale systems, after all. ---
**Author:** ![JITF](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/jitf/32/10116_2.png) [@JITF](https://forums.collective2.com/u/JITF)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2022, 1:31am UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/ark-2-strategy-in-the-huge-lose/15825/12 "2022-10-17T01:31:27Z")
> [@GordonGekko2](#): > > I guess some traders DO like martingale systems, after all. Yep, steady income month by month now. It will fail in the future, but maybe not, hope not, sure not, it can’t happen to us. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![GordonGekko2](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/gordongekko2/32/17122_2.png) [@GordonGekko2](https://forums.collective2.com/u/GordonGekko2)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2022, 4:31pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/ark-2-strategy-in-the-huge-lose/15825/13 "2022-10-18T16:31:28Z")
> [@JITF](#): > > Yep, steady income month by month now. It will fail in the future, but maybe not, hope not, sure not, it can’t happen to us Doing the exact opposite of all his trades (Ark1) would have resulted in a $5 000 profit with a $30 000 drawdown. That’s another problem with martingale systems, because betting against them can ALSO create huge losses in the short term, even though, ironically, they all fail at some point. And they all fail because : A: Continually betting against the market is a terrible idea. In fact it never works, trust me on this one. B: The market will ALWAYS have more money than you, so it can withstand ANY drawdown, while you cannot, even if you are the richest man on earth. When a trader is using a martingale system he is, in essence, betting that the market will run out of cash before he does. It never happens. ---
**Author:** ![LouR](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/lour/32/18076_2.png) [@LouR](https://forums.collective2.com/u/LouR)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2022, 4:03am UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/ark-2-strategy-in-the-huge-lose/15825/14 "2022-12-17T04:03:18Z")
Leverage over use will get you everytime. #greed ---
**Author:** ![JimGates](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/jimgates/32/13320_2.png) [@JimGates](https://forums.collective2.com/u/JimGates)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2023, 6:14am UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/ark-2-strategy-in-the-huge-lose/15825/15 "2023-01-10T06:14:41Z")
ARK created new account and strategies! SHOW must go on! 🤣 ![Screenshot_37](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/uploads/collective2/original/3X/6/3/63dac27c7ad491635b3c5815f070560f4a895266.png) ![Screenshot_31](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/uploads/collective2/original/3X/2/2/22d782db4499c3530902c27f380af993c727da68.png)