# Correlation S&P500 **URL:** \ **Category:** C2\ **Created:** [September 17, 2020, 8:58am UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/correlation-s-p500/14383 "2020-09-17T08:58:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![avibutz](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/avibutz/32/15757_2.png) [@avibutz](https://forums.collective2.com/u/avibutz)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2020, 8:58am UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/correlation-s-p500/14383/1 "2020-09-17T08:58:23Z")
Hello, Can someone explain what does exactly “Correlation S&P500” means? From what we understand it says how my portfolio performe compare to the S&P ( Based on what your representative said ). In that case, why in this strategy, [https://collective2.com/details/128081688](https://collective2.com/details/128081688) when it beat the market in every aspect it is negative and small? is there an option to get more clarification about this factor? thank you ---
**Author:** ![DwightSchrute](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/dwightschrute/32/13547_2.png) [@DwightSchrute](https://forums.collective2.com/u/DwightSchrute)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2020, 11:08am UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/correlation-s-p500/14383/2 "2020-09-17T11:08:01Z")
> **[Why Market Correlation Matters](https://www.investopedia.com/articles/financial-advisors/022516/4-reasons-why-market-correlation-matters.asp)** > > Correlation measures how assets and markets move in relation to each other, and can be used to manage risk. ---
**Author:** ![LiveForexSignals](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/liveforexsignals/32/1905_2.png) [@LiveForexSignals](https://forums.collective2.com/u/LiveForexSignals)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2020, 9:02pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/correlation-s-p500/14383/4 "2020-09-17T21:02:38Z")
A correlation between two financial instruments (A and B) can be positive or negative. A small negative correlation means: 1: There is no significant correlation between A and B. 2: When B moves up, A moves down (and vice versa), but again not in any significant way. ---
**Author:** ![OSUTIA](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/osutia/32/3401_2.png) [@OSUTIA](https://forums.collective2.com/u/OSUTIA)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2020, 1:38am UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/correlation-s-p500/14383/5 "2020-09-18T01:38:26Z")
Dr Martin Gale would be very proud of that strategy. 1 trade it double to buy lower 26 times. ---
**Author:** ![LiveForexSignals](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/liveforexsignals/32/1905_2.png) [@LiveForexSignals](https://forums.collective2.com/u/LiveForexSignals)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2020, 3:29am UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/correlation-s-p500/14383/6 "2020-09-18T03:29:48Z")
Who is Dr Gale? 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![OSUTIA](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/osutia/32/3401_2.png) [@OSUTIA](https://forums.collective2.com/u/OSUTIA)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2020, 5:03am UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/correlation-s-p500/14383/7 "2020-09-18T05:03:59Z")
The best trader ever. Never had a losing trade ever in the history. ---
**Author:** ![avibutz](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/avibutz/32/15757_2.png) [@avibutz](https://forums.collective2.com/u/avibutz)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2020, 1:17pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/correlation-s-p500/14383/8 "2020-09-18T13:17:15Z")
This is not Dr Martin Gale, but we do a net buy zone or accumulation zone. as you cannot catch on the dime the prices. ---
**Author:** ![avibutz](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/avibutz/32/15757_2.png) [@avibutz](https://forums.collective2.com/u/avibutz)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2020, 1:18pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/correlation-s-p500/14383/9 "2020-09-18T13:18:19Z")
I know what it means, I’m just saying if it correlated to the S&P what it is so low? if we outperform the S&P ? That’s why we asked what exactly this feature. ---
**Author:** ![avibutz](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/avibutz/32/15757_2.png) [@avibutz](https://forums.collective2.com/u/avibutz)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2020, 1:21pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/correlation-s-p500/14383/10 "2020-09-18T13:21:02Z")
I loved your comment how you choose to write it 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![LiveForexSignals](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/liveforexsignals/32/1905_2.png) [@LiveForexSignals](https://forums.collective2.com/u/LiveForexSignals)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2020, 4:50pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/correlation-s-p500/14383/11 "2020-09-18T16:50:15Z")
> [@avibutz](#): > > I know what it means, I’m just saying if it correlated to the S&P what it is so low? if we outperform the S&P ? I will say it again, your strategy is NOT correlated to the S&P 500, that’s why the numbers are small. In fact you should be happy with these small numbers, potential C2 subscribers do not particularly like strategies that simply mimic the performance of an index like the S&P 500, they want to follow systems that can beat the market, and so far your strategy has been doing just that. ---
**Author:** ![LiveForexSignals](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/liveforexsignals/32/1905_2.png) [@LiveForexSignals](https://forums.collective2.com/u/LiveForexSignals)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2020, 5:15pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/correlation-s-p500/14383/12 "2020-09-18T17:15:28Z")
> [@OSUTIA](#): > > The best trader ever. Never had a losing trade ever in the history. Really? Do you have some information about this Dr Gale? His name sounds familiar, for some weird reason, even though I have never heard of him. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![JITF](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/jitf/32/24092_2.png) [@JITF](https://forums.collective2.com/u/JITF)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2020, 5:27pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/correlation-s-p500/14383/13 "2020-09-18T17:27:42Z")
> [@LiveForexSignals](#): > > His name sounds familiar Just say his first and last name all together couple times. I am sure you will recognize him. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![LiveForexSignals](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/liveforexsignals/32/1905_2.png) [@LiveForexSignals](https://forums.collective2.com/u/LiveForexSignals)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2020, 5:31pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/correlation-s-p500/14383/14 "2020-09-18T17:31:59Z")
> [@JITF](#): > > Just say his first and last name all together couple times. I am sure you will recognize him Oh I get it now, hahahaha 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![EthosPortfolio](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/ethosportfolio/32/13320_2.png) [@EthosPortfolio](https://forums.collective2.com/u/EthosPortfolio)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2020, 9:39pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/correlation-s-p500/14383/15 "2020-09-18T21:39:28Z")
I think Dr Gale uses 37x leverage too ---
**Author:** ![LiveForexSignals](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/liveforexsignals/32/1905_2.png) [@LiveForexSignals](https://forums.collective2.com/u/LiveForexSignals)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2020, 9:44pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/correlation-s-p500/14383/16 "2020-09-18T21:44:58Z")
Avi made close to 200 grand profit in 6 months, and the maximum drawdown (from starting capital) was about 4 grand. Quite a feat indeed. ---
**Author:** ![EthosPortfolio](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/ethosportfolio/32/13320_2.png) [@EthosPortfolio](https://forums.collective2.com/u/EthosPortfolio)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2020, 10:14pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/correlation-s-p500/14383/17 "2020-09-18T22:14:37Z")
Martingale systems are always amazing until they have one trade get away from them. ---
**Author:** ![LiveForexSignals](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/liveforexsignals/32/1905_2.png) [@LiveForexSignals](https://forums.collective2.com/u/LiveForexSignals)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2020, 10:18pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/correlation-s-p500/14383/18 "2020-09-18T22:18:58Z")
True my friend, but can you name just one (1) C2 system that made $200k profit in 6 months while risking only $4K of initial capital? $200K in 6 months, a life changing experience for most people, especially with the Covid thing and people out of work. ---
**Author:** ![EthosPortfolio](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/ethosportfolio/32/13320_2.png) [@EthosPortfolio](https://forums.collective2.com/u/EthosPortfolio)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2020, 10:57pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/correlation-s-p500/14383/19 "2020-09-18T22:57:20Z")
> [@LiveForexSignals](#): > > $200K in 6 months, a life changing experience for most people, especially with the Covid thing and people out of work. And all you’ve got to do is martingale 25-30 ES contracts multiple times (and find a broker that will let you)…lol. I’d be curious to see the trades made and performance in his past strategies that have been made private. That would be a requirement before I subscribed. ---
**Author:** ![LiveForexSignals](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/liveforexsignals/32/1905_2.png) [@LiveForexSignals](https://forums.collective2.com/u/LiveForexSignals)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2020, 11:01pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/correlation-s-p500/14383/20 "2020-09-18T23:01:26Z")
> [@EthosPortfolio](#): > > And all you’ve got to do is martingale 25-30 ES contracts multiple times (and find a broker that will let you)…lol. Again, name just one C2 strategy that generated $200K profit in 6 months with a $4K loss from initial capital. Take your time… ---
**Author:** ![EthosPortfolio](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/ethosportfolio/32/13320_2.png) [@EthosPortfolio](https://forums.collective2.com/u/EthosPortfolio)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2020, 11:23pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/correlation-s-p500/14383/21 "2020-09-18T23:23:57Z")
They’re not real gains. The trade leader was on another thread complaining that he can no longer martingale (he’s limited to 4 contracts) because his strategy now has subscribers and regulators won’t allow him to trade an unrealistic 25-30 contracts at a time. Let’s see how the strategy performs now that there are subs and the trading is no longer make believe. Hopefully they’ll all prosper. Speaking of prospering. During the last chat we had you said you were going to start a forex strategy in the beginning of September. Did you ever create it? I’d like to add it to my watchlist. [Next page](https://forums.collective2.com/t/correlation-s-p500/14383.md?page=2)