# Doubleday Trend Spotting **URL:** \ **Category:** C2\ **Created:** [July 13, 2006, 2:57pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/doubleday-trend-spotting/4466 "2006-07-13T14:57:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![MatthewGraham](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/matthewgraham/32/238_2.png) [@MatthewGraham](https://forums.collective2.com/u/MatthewGraham)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2006, 2:57pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/doubleday-trend-spotting/4466/1 "2006-07-13T14:57:38Z")
Today’s New Trades STO 4 @NQU6 +$360 BTO 2 HUQ6 +$1680 STO 3 DJU6 +$2130 BTO 3 CLQ6 +$1350 ---
**Author:** ![Index](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/db5fbb/32.png) [@Index](https://forums.collective2.com/u/Index)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2006, 3:35pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/doubleday-trend-spotting/4466/2 "2006-07-13T15:35:11Z")
**At least if you are going to plagiarize someone else’s work, you can be a little more careful!!! Matthew, you really are without scruples, aren’t you?** **It is amazing that your system happens to exactly use the exact same structure, indicators and order as another site. There is nothing new here.** **Does this look familiar?** **Composite Indicator – Signal –** **– Strength –** **– Direction –** **Trend Spotter ™** **Hold Falling** **Short Term Indicators** **7 Day Average Directional Indicator** **Buy Minimum Strengthening** **10 - 8 Day Moving Average Hilo Channel** **Buy Weak Strongest** **20 Day Moving Average vs Price** **Buy Average Strongest** **20 - 50 Day MACD Oscillator** **Sell Minimum Strongest** **20 Day Bollinger Bands** **Buy Minimum Strongest** **Short Term Indicators Average: 60% - Buy** **Medium Term Indicators** **40 Day Commodity Channel Index** **Hold Bullish** **50 Day Moving Average vs Price** **Buy Weak Strongest** **20 - 100 Day MACD Oscillator** **Sell Weak Weakest** **50 Day Parabolic Time/Price** **Buy Average Strongest** **Medium Term Indicators Average: 25% - Buy** **Long Term Indicators** **60 Day Commodity Channel Index** **Hold Bullish** **100 Day Moving Average vs Price** **Sell Minimum Weakest** **50 - 100 Day MACD Oscillator** **Sell Average Weakest** **Long Term Indicators Average: 67% - Sell** **Overall Average: 16% - Buy** **I repeat, stay far, far away from this vendor. I am staying on him, because he keeps generating ways to deceive the C2 community.** ---
**Author:** ![Index](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/db5fbb/32.png) [@Index](https://forums.collective2.com/u/Index)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2006, 3:37pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/doubleday-trend-spotting/4466/3 "2006-07-13T15:37:11Z")
and why are you still advertising your systems here on the general forums when Matthew Klein made it clear this was not appropriate? ---
**Author:** ![MatthewGraham](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/matthewgraham/32/238_2.png) [@MatthewGraham](https://forums.collective2.com/u/MatthewGraham)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2006, 3:44pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/doubleday-trend-spotting/4466/4 "2006-07-13T15:44:07Z")
Ross, Please state for the record that you are accusing me of plagiarism. ---
**Author:** ![MatthewGraham](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/matthewgraham/32/238_2.png) [@MatthewGraham](https://forums.collective2.com/u/MatthewGraham)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2006, 3:45pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/doubleday-trend-spotting/4466/5 "2006-07-13T15:45:12Z")
I have communicated with Matthew about this privately. ---
**Author:** ![MatthewGraham](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/matthewgraham/32/238_2.png) [@MatthewGraham](https://forums.collective2.com/u/MatthewGraham)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2006, 3:53pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/doubleday-trend-spotting/4466/6 "2006-07-13T15:53:47Z")
Ross, by the way, is the inventor of seasonality. Also seasons and, according to some sources, even stocks. Ross’s pioneering efforts led directly to the creation of the end of the month. Without him, every month might have only 28 days. It is even rumored that Ross collaborated with Al Gore in the creation of the Internet. ---
**Author:** ![MatthewGraham](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/matthewgraham/32/238_2.png) [@MatthewGraham](https://forums.collective2.com/u/MatthewGraham)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2006, 4:06pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/doubleday-trend-spotting/4466/7 "2006-07-13T16:06:47Z")
li·bel noun (plural li·bels) Definition: 1. defamation: a false and malicious published statement that damages somebody’s reputation. Libel can include pictures and any other representations that have public or permanent form. 2. attacking of somebody’s reputation: the making of false and damaging statements about somebody 3. written statement: the plaintiff’s written statement in a case under admiralty law or in an ecclesiastical court ---
**Author:** ![Index](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/db5fbb/32.png) [@Index](https://forums.collective2.com/u/Index)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2006, 5:45pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/doubleday-trend-spotting/4466/8 "2006-07-13T17:45:28Z")
**You are taking someone else’s work and presenting that as your own. The site where it originates is not yours. You do not even bother to give credit to them. Even if you did, you are not allowed to resell others work (as system signals), even when THEIRS IS FREE.** **The segment I extracted came from that website. Yours is identical except for slight rewording. Although the indicators are public domain, the packaging and presentation of them in this particular way on their site is THEIR work. And any work published on the web is automatically extended copyright.** **And since we are exchanging definitions:** **_Plagiarism is the passing off of another person’s work as if it were one’s own, by claiming credit for something that was actually done by someone else. Deliberate plagiarism is an attempt to claim another person’s work as one’s own, usually by removing tell-tale evidence or changing words so the plagiarism is made harder to spot._** **And may I also point out your first sentence of your system description (which will probably be reworded), where the use of “proprietary” is a phrase generally used by the OWNERS of the published materials. Quoting (you): “System uses the proprietary Trend Spotting indicator to set up trades”.** **Your attempts to obfuscate what you did are irrelevant.** **I state for the record your constant attempts to mislead, misuse and deceive the C2 community. Again: fake reviews, multiple fake IDs, faked page views, plagiarized system content, and misuse of the general forum to advertise your system (now twice, even after MK said it was inappropriate)** **Rather than sell systems, you should sell a booklet "All possible ways to cheat the Collective2 website:** **How come your replies regarding your continuing deceptions are usually veiled threats (as some of your private messages and this one were to me), denials, distractions and similar?** **How about explaining how publishing something as yours which has been taken from someone else’s protected, published work, is actually OK?** ---
**Author:** ![Index](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/db5fbb/32.png) [@Index](https://forums.collective2.com/u/Index)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2006, 5:47pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/doubleday-trend-spotting/4466/9 "2006-07-13T17:47:28Z")
_the making of false and damaging statements about somebody_ **Show me what I have said that is false. Statements that are true are not defensible as damaging** ---
**Author:** ![MatthewGraham](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/matthewgraham/32/238_2.png) [@MatthewGraham](https://forums.collective2.com/u/MatthewGraham)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2006, 5:54pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/doubleday-trend-spotting/4466/10 "2006-07-13T17:54:30Z")
Ross, Since you think I have plagiarized from the public domain, you should have no problem predicting my trades, correct? I propose a test. Predict my trades for one month. If you can predict them with 80% accuracy, I will withdraw all of my systems. I will leave collective2, not to return. However, if you cannot predict the signals with 80% accuracy, you admit you were wrong about plagiarism and agree to refrain from further comments about my systems or me. I agree to not use the results of your trade predictions as evidence against you should I choose to pursue legal options. Seems fair to me…what does everyone think? ---
**Author:** ![SamCook](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e274bd/32.png) [@SamCook](https://forums.collective2.com/u/SamCook)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2006, 5:55pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/doubleday-trend-spotting/4466/11 "2006-07-13T17:55:07Z")
Doubleday Trend Spotting: BTO 477 CCU6 1706 7/7/06 9:43 STC 477 1720 7/13/06 10:17 How is this not a margin call? ---
**Author:** ![MatthewGraham](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/matthewgraham/32/238_2.png) [@MatthewGraham](https://forums.collective2.com/u/MatthewGraham)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2006, 5:57pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/doubleday-trend-spotting/4466/12 "2006-07-13T17:57:45Z")
Sam, Great question. This position was calculated to be just under the margin amount, as a home run trade with a very tight stop loss. However, based on subscriber feedback, I have decided to limit future trades to a maximum of about 3% of total margin available, per position. Thanks for your question. ---
**Author:** ![SamCook](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e274bd/32.png) [@SamCook](https://forums.collective2.com/u/SamCook)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2006, 5:58pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/doubleday-trend-spotting/4466/13 "2006-07-13T17:58:04Z")
\> Doubleday Trend Spotting: BTO 477 CCU6 1706 7/7/06 9:43 STC 477 1720 7/13/06 10:17 How is this not a margin call? Realism Factor 39.0 RF should be ZERO. This trade would be margined out before it occurred in the real world. ---
**Author:** ![MatthewGraham](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/matthewgraham/32/238_2.png) [@MatthewGraham](https://forums.collective2.com/u/MatthewGraham)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2006, 6:03pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/doubleday-trend-spotting/4466/14 "2006-07-13T18:03:51Z")
Sam, I’m not sure I agree with that. At any rate, I have made the necessary adjustments, so perhaps it is a moot point. Thanks for your feedback. ---
**Author:** ![Index](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/db5fbb/32.png) [@Index](https://forums.collective2.com/u/Index)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2006, 6:07pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/doubleday-trend-spotting/4466/15 "2006-07-13T18:07:11Z")
**Matthew Graham "system":** System uses the proprietary Trend Spotting indicator to set up trades. In addition to a composite indicator, this system incorporates the following trading signals to set up trades: Short Term Indicators 7 Day Average Directional Indicator 10 - 8 Day Moving Average Hilo Channel 20 Day Moving Average vs Price 20 - 50 Day MACD Oscillator 20 Day Bollinger Bands Medium Term Indicators 40 Day Commodity Channel Index 50 Day Moving Average vs Price 20 - 100 Day MACD Oscillator 50 Day Parabolic Time/Price Long Term Indicators 60 Day Commodity Channel Index 100 Day Moving Average vs Price 50 - 100 Day MACD Oscillator **System plagiarized from** Composite Indicator – Signal – -- Strength – -- Direction – Trend Spotter ™ Hold Falling Short Term Indicators 7 Day Average Directional Indicator Buy Minimum Strengthening 10 - 8 Day Moving Average Hilo Channel Buy Weak Strongest 20 Day Moving Average vs Price Buy Average Strongest 20 - 50 Day MACD Oscillator Sell Minimum Strongest 20 Day Bollinger Bands Buy Minimum Strongest Short Term Indicators Average: 60% - Buy Medium Term Indicators 40 Day Commodity Channel Index Hold Bullish 50 Day Moving Average vs Price Buy Weak Strongest 20 - 100 Day MACD Oscillator Sell Weak Weakest 50 Day Parabolic Time/Price Buy Average Strongest Medium Term Indicators Average: 25% - Buy Long Term Indicators 60 Day Commodity Channel Index Hold Bullish 100 Day Moving Average vs Price Sell Minimum Weakest 50 - 100 Day MACD Oscillator Sell Average Weakest Long Term Indicators Average: 67% - Sell Overall Average: 16% - Buy **Who are you to propose a test? \>:( That is like someone holding up banks and when caught he says "Tell you what, let me go. If you can predict which bank I hit next with 80% accuracy, I will give myself up!"** **Why should anyone admit being wrong about plagiarism? The basis of your system is IDENTICAL to the one you took it from. It fit the previously posted definition of Plagiarism to the letter.** **Your continuing distractions continue to avoid the issues** ---
**Author:** ![MatthewGraham](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/matthewgraham/32/238_2.png) [@MatthewGraham](https://forums.collective2.com/u/MatthewGraham)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2006, 6:08pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/doubleday-trend-spotting/4466/16 "2006-07-13T18:08:26Z")
Actually Ross, it’s not. But if you think so, I’m sure you can back it up, right? ---
**Author:** ![MatthewGraham](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/matthewgraham/32/238_2.png) [@MatthewGraham](https://forums.collective2.com/u/MatthewGraham)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2006, 6:11pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/doubleday-trend-spotting/4466/17 "2006-07-13T18:11:28Z")
OK Ross, let’s use past trades instead. What is the algorithm behind the trades? ---
**Author:** ![SamCook](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e274bd/32.png) [@SamCook](https://forums.collective2.com/u/SamCook)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2006, 6:40pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/doubleday-trend-spotting/4466/18 "2006-07-13T18:40:37Z")
What do you show for Cocoa margin? ---
**Author:** ![Index](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/db5fbb/32.png) [@Index](https://forums.collective2.com/u/Index)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2006, 6:46pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/doubleday-trend-spotting/4466/19 "2006-07-13T18:46:41Z")
_Actually Ross, it’s not. But if you think so, I’m sure you can back it up, right?_ oh, now I am convinced. You use precisely the same thing as the other website. But since you say they are different, then that makes all the difference. My mistake… **NOT** All you have done is removed their numbers. Can’t you do any better than empty responses??? ---
**Author:** ![MatthewGraham](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/matthewgraham/32/238_2.png) [@MatthewGraham](https://forums.collective2.com/u/MatthewGraham)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2006, 6:49pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/doubleday-trend-spotting/4466/20 "2006-07-13T18:49:20Z")
Ross, Still not correct. We use the same indicators as a framework, and I use that framework as the underpinning of my methodology, which incorporates additional indicators. Still waiting on that algorithm. [Next page](https://forums.collective2.com/t/doubleday-trend-spotting/4466.md?page=2)