# If You Can't Beat The Indexes DON"T TRADE!

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**Created:** [April 14, 2024, 9:29pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/if-you-cant-beat-the-indexes-don-t-trade/16460 "2024-04-14T21:29:07Z")
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#### Post date: [April 14, 2024, 9:29pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/if-you-cant-beat-the-indexes-don-t-trade/16460/1 "2024-04-14T21:29:07Z")

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This is common sense. Here are the performance charts for SPY, the S&P 500 Index and QQQ, the Nasdaq 100 Index.

If your trading system or method cannot substantially trounce these indexes, you need to throw in the towel and find something else to do!

I do not say this to be harsh but you are wasting your time.

 ![Screenshot 2024-04-14 at 5.20.59 PM](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/uploads/collective2/original/3X/f/a/fad1d3a062c5f7c0b6015647710dcaf58e05f8b1.png)

The SOXX does well over 20% per year.

In my days in Chicago back in the mid 1990’s professional floor traders made a ton and they were risk averse.

As a full time trader, I would say 50% Annual return would be your bare minimum. Otherwise, move on.

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