# Improving the Review Process **URL:** \ **Category:** C2\ **Created:** [January 21, 2016, 3:46am UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/improving-the-review-process/8402 "2016-01-21T03:46:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![GaryLynn2](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/garylynn2/32/23549_2.png) [@GaryLynn2](https://forums.collective2.com/u/GaryLynn2)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2016, 3:46am UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/improving-the-review-process/8402/1 "2016-01-21T03:46:17Z")
Let me just start out by saying that I have been a loyal C2 customer for many, many years and I love the service. It may seem like I only post to make a gripe about the site, but hopefully Matthew realizes by now that I’m always just trying to share my thoughts in an attempt to improve it. I mainly subscribe to trading systems (although I have dabbled unsuccessfully at being a system vendor) and usually use the Grid and the Reviews as the source of ideas for systems to subscribe to. However, the reviews tend to just trickle in at maybe just 1 or 2 per month. I believe the reason is that reviews can only be submitted by an invitation that is issued a couple of weeks after the subscription has started. As I wrote about in this post from September of '14: > [@Review Submissions](https://forums.collective2.com/t/review-submissions/1605): > > While we’re on the topic of changes to the site, I really think the change to having the reviews be by invitation only has resulted in very few reviews being written. It seems like the same 4 reviews have been on the home page for the past month or two. I know that personally I only write reviews when I have a strong opinion about a system, and that time usually does not coincide with the time I get an invite to review that system. I understand the reasoning behind the change – to prevent bogus… …that timing rarely matches with the time one wants to write a review. So what you end up with is very few reviews, and only those people who are either very happy (because the system did great in the first 2 weeks) or very unhappy (because the system blew up within 2 weeks…like the most recent review on 1/16/16). There is also no way to change or append reviews, as I posted about here: > [@Suggestion with Reviews](https://forums.collective2.com/t/suggestion-with-reviews/8301): > > I would suggest that reviewers have the option to change (or append) their reviews. I subscribed to a system that performed very well for the first couple of months and I gave it a 5-star review. A couple of months later the system vendor abandoned the system without notifying the subscribers. I would like to lower my review to prevent people from subscribing to a dead system. Perhaps it is a marketing decision. If having fewer negative reviews helps the site then I’m all for helping the C2 business model. However, I think there is something to be said for giving subscribers the ability to warn others of potentially dangerous systems that may not be apparent from the equity curve and track record. For example, a couple of weeks ago I subscribed to a system that was marketed as a protection against black swan events. Once I subscribed and traded it for a few days I realized that it was taking on more risk than I had anticipated and luckily I got out with a small profit – it ended up with a 15+% drawdown over the following 2 weeks! I probably would have posted a review on that system once I unsubscribed, but that was not an option. Just one opinion of many… Gary ---
**Author:** ![SantiagoUrquijoZam](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/santiagourquijozam/32/21431_2.png) [@SantiagoUrquijoZam](https://forums.collective2.com/u/SantiagoUrquijoZam)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2016, 8:59am UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/improving-the-review-process/8402/2 "2016-01-21T08:59:57Z")
> [@GaryLynn2](#): > > or giving subscribers the ability to warn others of potentially dangerous systems that may not be apparent I do fully subscribe to your idea of allowing subscribers to warn others of potentially dangerous systems that may not be apparent. I would have saved me a lot of money lost (more than $80000!). If it continues like that I will have to leave C2, so in the end, by having more transparency and accountability, C2 will gain respect and long term subscribers. Santiago ---
**Author:** ![CharlesLarry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/charleslarry/32/238_2.png) [@CharlesLarry](https://forums.collective2.com/u/CharlesLarry)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2016, 12:03pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/improving-the-review-process/8402/3 "2016-01-21T12:03:19Z")
If the Reviews are not working for the community, why not start individual topics on the forum categorized by the system owner, e.g., Review: Cambridge Research. Under that topic, everyone could add comments about all Cambridge Research systems such as Ascendant TY, etc. ---
**Author:** ![GaryLynn2](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/garylynn2/32/23549_2.png) [@GaryLynn2](https://forums.collective2.com/u/GaryLynn2)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2016, 12:29pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/improving-the-review-process/8402/4 "2016-01-21T12:29:13Z")
That’s not a bad idea, but definitely not as good as using the Reviews. When one researches a potential system to subscribe to, they usually view the equity curve, then the stats, and then the reviews (if there are any). Few will likely think to then go to the forums and search for the system name or vendor name – especially those new to the site. Gary ---
**Author:** ![Cameron](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/cameron/32/12342_2.png) [@Cameron](https://forums.collective2.com/u/Cameron)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2016, 7:51am UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/improving-the-review-process/8402/5 "2016-01-24T07:51:05Z")
I’m with you Gary but here’s the problem. C2 has tried over the years various procedures for writing reviews. I remember at one time the trolling and abuse became very bad and that’s when they changed to the current system. Right now your request to C2 isn’t enough. We need to offer solutions that would be effective in stopping the bad actors from writing fake reviews and then using multiple accounts to like the fake review etc. One suggestion I have is to introduce Verified Accounts, that is to give the option for people to send a copy of their passport to C2 and then only those people are allowed to write reviews. They would also get a “Verified User” badge on their profile and system page right under the “TOS Badge”. This is being successfully used by the dating site OKCupid to solve the fake account problems inherent in their business model. ---
**Author:** ![TSH](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/tsh/32/431_2.png) [@TSH](https://forums.collective2.com/u/TSH)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2016, 7:56am UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/improving-the-review-process/8402/6 "2016-01-24T07:56:48Z")
The solution is simple , only **paid subscribers** should be allowed to post a review anytime they wish , thats their right after all . ---
**Author:** ![c2-auto-trader](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/c2-auto-trader/32/21425_2.png) [@c2-auto-trader](https://forums.collective2.com/u/c2-auto-trader)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2016, 8:09am UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/improving-the-review-process/8402/7 "2016-01-24T08:09:36Z")
I like the an idea of verified accounts, though I think that it is excessive to request passports. C2 gathers credit card info of subscribers, why this info can’t be verification? Let say review can be written only by “Reliable Subscriber” which has paid subscription for at least N (N=1…3) months after trial subscription or after previous review written. So every subscriber will have a chance to write a review every N months. Also in cases if system was closed/abandoned all subscribers should have a right to write a review. ---
**Author:** ![TSH](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/tsh/32/431_2.png) [@TSH](https://forums.collective2.com/u/TSH)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2016, 8:36am UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/improving-the-review-process/8402/8 "2016-01-24T08:36:45Z")
Agree no one is going to send a passport copy to write some review , cc info should be enough plus a paid subscription , it is important to not allow free trial subscribers to write reviews , however i dont see the problem if a paid sub wants to write one , and if a system developer is willing to open a second account and pay for his own system just to write a shill review so be it . ---
**Author:** ![CharlesLarry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/charleslarry/32/238_2.png) [@CharlesLarry](https://forums.collective2.com/u/CharlesLarry)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2016, 10:07pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/improving-the-review-process/8402/9 "2016-02-23T22:07:05Z")
![](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/uploads/collective2/2448/30ffe4b151764619.png) I subscribed to [1KPM ES](https://www.collective2.com/details/97817772 "1KPM ES") on 2/13/16. So, I hardly feel like I am qualified to review it after just 10 days. ---
**Author:** ![Vidigix](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/vidigix/32/2487_2.png) [@Vidigix](https://forums.collective2.com/u/Vidigix)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2016, 12:28pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/improving-the-review-process/8402/10 "2016-03-03T12:28:57Z")
I agree with **@TSH**. Only paid subscribers should be allowed to post reviews. This I believe will improve greatly on the review process. ---
**Author:** ![MartinPavlas](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/martinpavlas/32/2130_2.png) [@MartinPavlas](https://forums.collective2.com/u/MartinPavlas)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2016, 12:53pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/improving-the-review-process/8402/11 "2016-03-03T12:53:29Z")
I also received an invitation to review a system only after being member for about 2 weeks. This is too short to do any review. 2 months of paid subscription should be a good time to write anything decent about a system. ---
**Author:** ![SantiagoUrquijoZam](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/santiagourquijozam/32/21431_2.png) [@SantiagoUrquijoZam](https://forums.collective2.com/u/SantiagoUrquijoZam)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2016, 3:44pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/improving-the-review-process/8402/12 "2016-03-03T15:44:50Z")
I fully agree with the last remarks, only paid subscribers and after 2 months. ---
**Author:** ![c2-auto-trader](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/c2-auto-trader/32/21425_2.png) [@c2-auto-trader](https://forums.collective2.com/u/c2-auto-trader)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2016, 6:57pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/improving-the-review-process/8402/13 "2016-05-14T18:57:32Z")
@MatthewKlein if I missed first c2 notices to make a review for system (in about a week or two after subscription started), will I be able to make a review later? and if yes, then when? ---
**Author:** ![MatthewKlein](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/matthewklein/32/21382_2.png) [@MatthewKlein](https://forums.collective2.com/u/MatthewKlein)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2016, 9:54pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/improving-the-review-process/8402/14 "2016-05-14T21:54:09Z")
You will be asked later, randomly. The randomization is an attempt to prevent shill reviews and the gaming of review-writing. ---
**Author:** ![c2-auto-trader](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/c2-auto-trader/32/21425_2.png) [@c2-auto-trader](https://forums.collective2.com/u/c2-auto-trader)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2016, 10:41pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/improving-the-review-process/8402/15 "2016-05-14T22:41:20Z")
Ok, thank you. Can I write review several times or only once? ---
**Author:** ![MatthewKlein](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/matthewklein/32/21382_2.png) [@MatthewKlein](https://forums.collective2.com/u/MatthewKlein)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2016, 10:54pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/improving-the-review-process/8402/16 "2016-05-14T22:54:19Z")
Only once. Let me pre-empt you and say: I know this isn’t ideal, and people should be allowed to re-review over time. ---
**Author:** ![MatthewKlein](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/matthewklein/32/21382_2.png) [@MatthewKlein](https://forums.collective2.com/u/MatthewKlein)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2016, 7:03pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/improving-the-review-process/8402/18 "2016-05-15T19:03:05Z")