# Indices Futures **URL:** \ **Category:** Trading and Markets\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 6:52pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/indices-futures/9064 "2016-12-07T18:52:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 4\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![wmwmw](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/wmwmw/32/1487_2.png) [@wmwmw](https://forums.collective2.com/u/wmwmw)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 6:52pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/indices-futures/9064/1 "2016-12-07T18:52:31Z")
> **[Indices Futures](https://collective2.com/details/106617842)** > > Indices Futures - trading strategy on Collective2 I have been experimenting this strategy, with a “following trend” method, and if there is no trend, trying to catch intraday movement. It is discretionary, and aggressive to look for maximum profit. So I define it as high risk and high reward. ---
**Author:** ![wmwmw](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/wmwmw/32/1487_2.png) [@wmwmw](https://forums.collective2.com/u/wmwmw)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2016, 10:34am UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/indices-futures/9064/2 "2016-12-11T10:34:28Z")
Here is my previous post that explained my strategy: > [@Looking for strategy that follows the trend](https://forums.collective2.com/t/looking-for-strategy-that-follows-the-trend/9003/15): > > I am sorry, but why so many systems with your obvious such a great understanding of the markets, charts and trends? Your Sharpe ratios show that your “trial and error” systems from the past are not all that great, like this one you abandoned after it went bust. Anyone can make a few run of great trades if you keep creating multiple systems and hoping to get lucky and strike gold with one of them. I guess 13 might be your lucky number. Because I have been experimenting a strategy that can work in all kinds of situation. Everyone knows market has two directions:up and down. But I guess very few know that actually market has 3 directions:up trend, down trend and no trend. I had a strategy that could work great in either up trend or down trend.But if there is no trend, my strategy would lose money.Because the basic principle of this strategy is if market goes my way,I would not take profit, but let profit run. If market go back, I would cut loss. This principle work great in either up trend or down trend. But when there is no trend, market just doesn’t go ahead, it just go forth and back.When I goes forth, I don’t take profit.When it goes back, I cut loss. So in a no trend situation, this strategy doesn’t sell at a profit, but only sell at a loss.That’s why this strategy doesn’t work if there is no trend. I experimented a lot of strategies, to tried to make them able to deal with up trend, down trend, and no trend. That’s why you see I had so many strategies and then abandoned them. But the latest strategy, Indices Futures, is successful and I guess it can deal with all kinds of situation. , ---
**Author:** ![wmwmw](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/wmwmw/32/1487_2.png) [@wmwmw](https://forums.collective2.com/u/wmwmw)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2016, 10:39am UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/indices-futures/9064/3 "2016-12-11T10:39:43Z")
Here is someone’s message and my reply: Someone: Hi, you suddenly changed the trade size to 4 or higher contracts. can you make the trade size back to 1 so it’s easier to trade. wmwmw: I don’t trade same size all the time, when I increase trade size, it means I am most certain that I am in the right direction.When I find situation is less certain, I will be back to smaller size. If you are not comfortable with larger size, you can set your size at small size all the time. For example, if you take half of my size, you get 10%+ monthly return and 8% DD. On the other side, when I trade larger size, I have tight stop in my mind,so the downside actually is small. For a 40000 account, trade 4 contracts, that is equal to 10000 account trade 1 [contract.It](http://contract.It) is not too large size.many strategies trade much bigger than my size. ---
**Author:** ![wmwmw](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/wmwmw/32/1487_2.png) [@wmwmw](https://forums.collective2.com/u/wmwmw)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2016, 11:43am UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/indices-futures/9064/4 "2016-12-11T11:43:55Z")
I have included a 7 days free trial for this strategy.