# New Leaderboard based on C2 Ranking **URL:** \ **Category:** C2\ **Created:** [February 15, 2025, 4:03am UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/new-leaderboard-based-on-c2-ranking/16731 "2025-02-15T04:03:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![GaryLynn2](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/garylynn2/32/22772_2.png) [@GaryLynn2](https://forums.collective2.com/u/GaryLynn2)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2025, 4:03am UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/new-leaderboard-based-on-c2-ranking/16731/1 "2025-02-15T04:03:25Z")
I created this (simple) Custom Leaderboard that some might find useful: [https://collective2.com/lb/444](https://collective2.com/lb/444) ---
**Author:** ![ProfitWeekly](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/profitweekly/32/19843_2.png) [@ProfitWeekly](https://forums.collective2.com/u/ProfitWeekly)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2025, 6:29pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/new-leaderboard-based-on-c2-ranking/16731/2 "2025-02-15T18:29:21Z")
Great job Gary, thanks. We immediately notice that the top 50 systems (based on C2 ranking) are at least 1 year old, which is somehow understandable. The second thing we notice is that the maximum drawdown of some of these systems is very high, so the drawdown does not appear to influence the ranking that much. One thing is for sure however, all these systems beat the average annual return of the S&P 500, as we can see. ---
**Author:** ![ProfitWeekly](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/profitweekly/32/19843_2.png) [@ProfitWeekly](https://forums.collective2.com/u/ProfitWeekly)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2025, 8:35pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/new-leaderboard-based-on-c2-ranking/16731/3 "2025-02-16T20:35:03Z")
Bye the way Gary, does your link update itself in real time? ---
**Author:** ![GaryLynn2](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/garylynn2/32/22772_2.png) [@GaryLynn2](https://forums.collective2.com/u/GaryLynn2)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2025, 10:06pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/new-leaderboard-based-on-c2-ranking/16731/4 "2025-02-16T22:06:40Z")
Yes. Here is another few characters so I can meet the 20-character minimum… ---
**Author:** ![ProfitWeekly](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/profitweekly/32/19843_2.png) [@ProfitWeekly](https://forums.collective2.com/u/ProfitWeekly)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2025, 10:39pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/new-leaderboard-based-on-c2-ranking/16731/5 "2025-02-16T22:39:26Z")
Excellent, thanks again. Interesting fact : According to your list the average drawdown of the C2 systems that managed to stay alive for more than 3 years is 46%. ---
**Author:** ![Obstract](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/obstract/32/21524_2.png) [@Obstract](https://forums.collective2.com/u/Obstract)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2025, 6:03pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/new-leaderboard-based-on-c2-ranking/16731/6 "2025-02-21T18:03:31Z")
Isn’t having a low DD very important? ---
**Author:** ![ProfitWeekly](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/profitweekly/32/19843_2.png) [@ProfitWeekly](https://forums.collective2.com/u/ProfitWeekly)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2025, 10:54pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/new-leaderboard-based-on-c2-ranking/16731/7 "2025-02-21T22:54:28Z")
> [@Obstract](#): > > Isn’t having a low DD very important? Well, not really, apparently. This list shows that the smallest drawdown is 5.3%, and yet the system associated with that small drawdown is at the bottom of the list as far as ranking is concerned (rank of that particular C2 system is 50). So I guess other and more subtle ranking parameters are at play, and drawdown is not really one of them, or so it seems. ---
**Author:** ![Obstract](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/obstract/32/21524_2.png) [@Obstract](https://forums.collective2.com/u/Obstract)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2025, 9:56pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/new-leaderboard-based-on-c2-ranking/16731/8 "2025-02-24T21:56:51Z")
Do you think its possible to create a custom leader board that shows the ranking as to the # of subscribers a system has? ---
**Author:** ![GaryLynn2](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/garylynn2/32/22772_2.png) [@GaryLynn2](https://forums.collective2.com/u/GaryLynn2)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2025, 10:29pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/new-leaderboard-based-on-c2-ranking/16731/9 "2025-02-24T22:29:38Z")
[https://collective2.com/lb/342](https://collective2.com/lb/342) ---
**Author:** ![ProfitWeekly](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/profitweekly/32/19843_2.png) [@ProfitWeekly](https://forums.collective2.com/u/ProfitWeekly)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2025, 11:30pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/new-leaderboard-based-on-c2-ranking/16731/10 "2025-02-24T23:30:47Z")
> [@Obstract](#): > > the # of subscribers The number of subscribers, while important, has very limited use, because some C2 systems charge as much as $1,000 or more per month, while others charge only $20 or $10, or even zero in some cases, so it’s like comparing oranges and apples. ---
**Author:** ![GaryLynn2](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/garylynn2/32/22772_2.png) [@GaryLynn2](https://forums.collective2.com/u/GaryLynn2)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2025, 1:17pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/new-leaderboard-based-on-c2-ranking/16731/11 "2025-02-25T13:17:03Z")
This one is probably more relevant for a strategy manager: [https://collective2.com/lb/347](https://collective2.com/lb/347) ---
**Author:** ![Babbage\_9010](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/babbage_9010/32/23147_2.png) [@Babbage\_9010](https://forums.collective2.com/u/Babbage_9010)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2025, 5:49pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/new-leaderboard-based-on-c2-ranking/16731/12 "2025-02-25T17:49:33Z")
> [@GaryLynn2](#): > > [https://collective2.com/lb/347](https://collective2.com/lb/347) Lol, very nice, except we get some spurious “leaders” here who ABSOLUTELY NO ONE is actually paying $595/month to follow down a dead end. Must be spam subscribers getting a full scholarship, or… they long ago left but the account lingers on? Keep salt shakers handy for any formulaic listing, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![ProfitWeekly](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/profitweekly/32/19843_2.png) [@ProfitWeekly](https://forums.collective2.com/u/ProfitWeekly)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2025, 6:16pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/new-leaderboard-based-on-c2-ranking/16731/13 "2025-02-25T18:16:36Z")
> [@GaryLynn2](#): > > This one is probably more relevant for a strategy manager: > > [https://collective2.com/lb/347](https://collective2.com/lb/347?_ga=2.62427564.1279458864.1740501137-1118905008.1723682553) Next to the Sub Fee column there is another column called “All Time”, what’s that exactly? Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Babbage\_9010](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/babbage_9010/32/23147_2.png) [@Babbage\_9010](https://forums.collective2.com/u/Babbage_9010)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2025, 6:38pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/new-leaderboard-based-on-c2-ranking/16731/14 "2025-02-25T18:38:46Z")
Cumulative return since beginning of strategy. ---
**Author:** ![ProfitWeekly](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/profitweekly/32/19843_2.png) [@ProfitWeekly](https://forums.collective2.com/u/ProfitWeekly)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2025, 6:41pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/new-leaderboard-based-on-c2-ranking/16731/15 "2025-02-25T18:41:25Z")
Oh, I see, thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Obstract](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/obstract/32/21524_2.png) [@Obstract](https://forums.collective2.com/u/Obstract)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2025, 6:49pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/new-leaderboard-based-on-c2-ranking/16731/16 "2025-02-26T18:49:55Z")
Is there a way to see how many subscribers “ares P2” has? ---
**Author:** ![GaryLynn2](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/garylynn2/32/22772_2.png) [@GaryLynn2](https://forums.collective2.com/u/GaryLynn2)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2025, 8:48pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/new-leaderboard-based-on-c2-ranking/16731/17 "2025-02-26T20:48:19Z")
157 [https://collective2.com/lb/examine/342?rm=examine;customlb=342](https://collective2.com/lb/examine/342?rm=examine;customlb=342) ---
**Author:** ![JOE\_mckenrick](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/joe_mckenrick/32/19887_2.png) [@JOE\_mckenrick](https://forums.collective2.com/u/JOE_mckenrick)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2025, 12:43am UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/new-leaderboard-based-on-c2-ranking/16731/18 "2025-02-28T00:43:28Z")
Dam. Theres really little interest for forex traders here ---
**Author:** ![GaryLynn2](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/garylynn2/32/22772_2.png) [@GaryLynn2](https://forums.collective2.com/u/GaryLynn2)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2025, 3:19am UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/new-leaderboard-based-on-c2-ranking/16731/19 "2025-02-28T03:19:02Z")
I only recently opened up an FX account to trade a C2 system. I had always thought that FX was not an option for U.S. residents, but C2 is integrated with at least one broker that does support U.S. customers (I went with IG). That said, there are not that many FX systems offered on C2 these days. ---
**Author:** ![JOE\_mckenrick](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/joe_mckenrick/32/19887_2.png) [@JOE\_mckenrick](https://forums.collective2.com/u/JOE_mckenrick)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2025, 6:03am UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/new-leaderboard-based-on-c2-ranking/16731/20 "2025-02-28T06:03:20Z")
Nice! I noticed that aswell (Not many fx systems). If you don’t mind me asking, which fx system are you going to give a try? [Next page](https://forums.collective2.com/t/new-leaderboard-based-on-c2-ranking/16731.md?page=2)