# Strategies that busted in the crash **URL:** \ **Category:** Trading and Markets\ **Created:** [February 5, 2018, 10:17pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/strategies-that-busted-in-the-crash/11359 "2018-02-05T22:17:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![QuantitativeModels](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/quantitativemodels/32/1487_2.png) [@QuantitativeModels](https://forums.collective2.com/u/QuantitativeModels)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2018, 11:29pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/strategies-that-busted-in-the-crash/11359/22 "2018-02-05T23:29:14Z")
WOW! Here’s another big one. It is rated the 3d best strategy on the Grid according to C2 score: > **[Capitalize on Volatility](https://collective2.com/details/111356106)** > > A trading strategy on Collective2. Follow along in your own brokerage account, or try it with a free simulated account. While the max DD is only 45%, **the annualized return is now minus 85.2%**. So it’s not bust, but one of the most profitable strategies on the board is now substantially unprofitable. [UPDATE: I think that C2 may be listing some incorrect numbers on this strategy and others.] Anther highly rated strategy that is not nearly bust, but now has negative overall annualized returns (w costs) is Tempus Fugit ( **-47.8% annualized return, minus 64.8% this month** ) > **[Tempus Fugit](https://collective2.com/details/110396330)** > > A trading strategy on Collective2. Follow along in your own brokerage account, or try it with a free simulated account. ---
**Author:** ![TopplingGoliath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ad7895/32.png) [@TopplingGoliath](https://forums.collective2.com/u/TopplingGoliath)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2018, 11:29pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/strategies-that-busted-in-the-crash/11359/23 "2018-02-05T23:29:57Z")
XIV down 90% now. Its over. ---
**Author:** ![TT3](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/tt3/32/238_2.png) [@TT3](https://forums.collective2.com/u/TT3)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2018, 11:38pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/strategies-that-busted-in-the-crash/11359/24 "2018-02-05T23:38:40Z")
C2 should just ban VIX trading on here, most investors don’t understand it’s it can blow up your account ---
**Author:** ![Sagor](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/sagor/32/1487_2.png) [@Sagor](https://forums.collective2.com/u/Sagor)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2018, 11:40pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/strategies-that-busted-in-the-crash/11359/25 "2018-02-05T23:40:14Z")
Curious if it will blow up in C2 face… they might get sued. ---
**Author:** ![JohnSnow2019](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/johnsnow2019/32/11153_2.png) [@JohnSnow2019](https://forums.collective2.com/u/JohnSnow2019)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2018, 11:41pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/strategies-that-busted-in-the-crash/11359/26 "2018-02-05T23:41:37Z")
I disagree with that. However, I think C2 should either make all developers trade on a cash basis or have very clear differentiation between strategies that operate using cash vs. leverage. ---
**Author:** ![JohnSnow2019](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/johnsnow2019/32/11153_2.png) [@JohnSnow2019](https://forums.collective2.com/u/JohnSnow2019)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2018, 11:42pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/strategies-that-busted-in-the-crash/11359/27 "2018-02-05T23:42:53Z")
Also a curve showing max money at risk at any given time graphed along with the equity curve would be very helpful. ---
**Author:** ![TopplingGoliath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ad7895/32.png) [@TopplingGoliath](https://forums.collective2.com/u/TopplingGoliath)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2018, 11:42pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/strategies-that-busted-in-the-crash/11359/28 "2018-02-05T23:42:58Z")
I don’t think its C2’s place to ban trading anything because people don’t understand it. ---
**Author:** ![TT3](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/tt3/32/238_2.png) [@TT3](https://forums.collective2.com/u/TT3)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2018, 11:45pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/strategies-that-busted-in-the-crash/11359/29 "2018-02-05T23:45:07Z")
ok not ban it, but a clear understanding that vix can wipe out your account in about 30 mins ---
**Author:** ![QuantitativeModels](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/quantitativemodels/32/1487_2.png) [@QuantitativeModels](https://forums.collective2.com/u/QuantitativeModels)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2018, 12:10am UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/strategies-that-busted-in-the-crash/11359/30 "2018-02-06T00:10:35Z")
I just looked at the 26 most popular strategies ranked by 6-week popularity scores on the Grid (MON, 7:05pm). Of these 26 most popular strategies, TEN (10) have negative or zero returns (most of the strategies listed as having zero returns in fact have strongly negative annualized returns). And 3 of the top 7 strategies ranked by C2 score now have annualized returns of worse than minus 80% a year. ---
**Author:** ![OSUTIA](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/osutia/32/3401_2.png) [@OSUTIA](https://forums.collective2.com/u/OSUTIA)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2018, 1:02am UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/strategies-that-busted-in-the-crash/11359/31 "2018-02-06T01:02:14Z")
i mean this is a black swan event, with $xiv and $svxy on the verge of termination. the sad part is most of these strategy is not TOS, all they are going to do is create a new user, a new strategy and LONG 5000 $uvxy puts this week and swing for the fences to get back to top 10 on the leader board. If vix spike higher, reset and repeat. they got nothing to lose, pay a few bucks to start over. subs lost a lot or everything. 8-( ---
**Author:** ![TT3](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/tt3/32/238_2.png) [@TT3](https://forums.collective2.com/u/TT3)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2018, 1:07am UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/strategies-that-busted-in-the-crash/11359/32 "2018-02-06T01:07:16Z")
here’s another one gone bust. [https://collective2.com/details/113956195](https://collective2.com/details/113956195) and [https://collective2.com/details/110286218](https://collective2.com/details/110286218) ---
**Author:** ![AlgoSystems](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/algosystems/32/12306_2.png) [@AlgoSystems](https://forums.collective2.com/u/AlgoSystems)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2018, 1:18am UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/strategies-that-busted-in-the-crash/11359/33 "2018-02-06T01:18:26Z")
@OSUTIA, it looks like the 2nd one listed by @TT3 is TOS. I don’t think a strategy that is TOS will be exempt from losing money. It does at least give more confidence that trader has put his own money or someone he manages’ money with the system. ---
**Author:** ![TT3](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/tt3/32/238_2.png) [@TT3](https://forums.collective2.com/u/TT3)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2018, 1:25am UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/strategies-that-busted-in-the-crash/11359/34 "2018-02-06T01:25:33Z")
So sad, all the subs to Mcprotrader went bankrupt today, [https://collective2.com/details/107294590](https://collective2.com/details/107294590) ---
**Author:** ![OSUTIA](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/osutia/32/3401_2.png) [@OSUTIA](https://forums.collective2.com/u/OSUTIA)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2018, 1:32am UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/strategies-that-busted-in-the-crash/11359/35 "2018-02-06T01:32:16Z")
its only 25% TOS. not saying TOS is any better than non TOS. like i said its a black swan event, no one saw it coming. there was no news, no event, no crisis around the globe. its just a snowball effect of algos and high frequency trading. ---
**Author:** ![AlgoSystems](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/algosystems/32/12306_2.png) [@AlgoSystems](https://forums.collective2.com/u/AlgoSystems)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2018, 1:33am UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/strategies-that-busted-in-the-crash/11359/36 "2018-02-06T01:33:54Z")
Actually, this is a nice pullback. We had a couple of gaps that were filled and another one very close. I think once they have been filled we should resume our trend up or just swing sideways for awhile. ---
**Author:** ![AlgoSystems](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/algosystems/32/12306_2.png) [@AlgoSystems](https://forums.collective2.com/u/AlgoSystems)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2018, 1:36am UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/strategies-that-busted-in-the-crash/11359/37 "2018-02-06T01:36:42Z")
Too bad the pullback was this quick though…lol ---
**Author:** ![AlgoSystems](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/algosystems/32/12306_2.png) [@AlgoSystems](https://forums.collective2.com/u/AlgoSystems)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2018, 1:38am UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/strategies-that-busted-in-the-crash/11359/38 "2018-02-06T01:38:06Z")
It took pretty much 2 days to wipe out the gains for all of 2018…lol…causing some ETF’s to break… ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_M](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/steve_m/32/238_2.png) [@Steve\_M](https://forums.collective2.com/u/Steve_M)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2018, 2:13am UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/strategies-that-busted-in-the-crash/11359/39 "2018-02-06T02:13:57Z")
I feel for all the subscribers… True there were some who knew the risks and took a chance, but many who were really not aware. Very sad for those who lost all. ---
**Author:** ![AlgoSystems](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/algosystems/32/12306_2.png) [@AlgoSystems](https://forums.collective2.com/u/AlgoSystems)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2018, 2:19am UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/strategies-that-busted-in-the-crash/11359/40 "2018-02-06T02:19:02Z")
Yes, I think there should be a need for safer strategies in C2. Unfortunately, its the riskier/high leverage strategies that seem to have the most appeal because of the higher returns. ---
**Author:** ![DogZebra\_Investing](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/dogzebra_investing/32/5086_2.png) [@DogZebra\_Investing](https://forums.collective2.com/u/DogZebra_Investing)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2018, 2:28am UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/strategies-that-busted-in-the-crash/11359/41 "2018-02-06T02:28:51Z")
> [@Thanos](#): > > Speculation you retard. > > ``` > Collective2 > > ``` > > Vix Lite > > A trading strategy on Collective2. Follow along in your own brokerage account, or try it with a free simulated account. Thanos! I knew you would give up and go private. On here calling other people ‘retards’ and calling yourself “the future of trading” and " I saw 2008 coming". You see this one coming? LOL 🤣 [Previous page](https://forums.collective2.com/t/strategies-that-busted-in-the-crash/11359.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.collective2.com/t/strategies-that-busted-in-the-crash/11359.md?page=3)