# Study: Risk Factors for Failure or Serious Trouble Are High Win % and Low Ratio of Avg Gain to Avg Loss

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> [@QuantitativeModels](#):
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> Of course, you are right, almost all martingale systems are high win %, but not all high win rate systems are martingale…

Any high % win system has an issue even if its not martingale IMO. Either they are holding losers or adding to losers or otherwise not taking normal losses. Being able to take losses is critical. You either take down regular losses or big losses take you down.

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