# Supporting smaller position sizes **URL:** \ **Category:** C2\ **Created:** [July 8, 2009, 3:19pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/supporting-smaller-position-sizes/6443 "2009-07-08T15:19:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![JamesGritton2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ee7513/32.png) [@JamesGritton2](https://forums.collective2.com/u/JamesGritton2)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2009, 3:19pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/supporting-smaller-position-sizes/6443/1 "2009-07-08T15:19:13Z")
I got a message today asking me to add a single-contract version of my system because its position sizes are too large. I’m told this way subscribers can control their own position sizes. I thought they could anyway. Now I wonder: what control do subscribers have over their position sizes? If I trade 9 contracts of NQ does that mean a subscriber has to trade that many as well? I keep my system at 2x leverage, so that 9 is bound to change without notice. Perhaps that’s the problem? Is a single-contract system in fact easier to trade? It seems silly to have to offer a totally new system to manage this, but then I’ve never auto-traded any systems here. Is it silly, or is it necessary? - Jamie ---
**Author:** ![JamesNelson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7993a0/32.png) [@JamesNelson](https://forums.collective2.com/u/JamesNelson)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2009, 3:31pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/supporting-smaller-position-sizes/6443/2 "2009-07-08T15:31:00Z")
I just set-up futures autotrading on Monday and C2 allows a subscriber to select either a dollar amount or % scale. The dollar amount is simply converted to a % scale. The % scale will determine the number of contracts to trade relative to the number in the signal. So, if I set my scale at 50% and you trade 9 contracts, I will trade either 4 or 5 (not sure how it rounds). I can also set a min and max number of contracts to trade. With your system, I could trade 1 contract by setting the min to zero and the max to 1, with 100% scale. Could also simply trade any fixed number of contracts by setting the min/max to whatever I want. I don’t really see any reason to offer a system that trades one contract for the purposes of auto trading set-up. The bigger question might be, how important is your variable position sizing to your system? Since trading a fixed number of contracts would effect the performance a subscriber would experience. Jim ---
**Author:** ![KarlA](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/karla/32/238_2.png) [@KarlA](https://forums.collective2.com/u/KarlA)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2009, 4:00pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/supporting-smaller-position-sizes/6443/3 "2009-07-08T16:00:31Z")
This is probably one of the easiest systems to trade manually if you, as the system does, use the NQ as the trading instrument. ---
**Author:** ![JamesGritton2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ee7513/32.png) [@JamesGritton2](https://forums.collective2.com/u/JamesGritton2)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2009, 4:08pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/supporting-smaller-position-sizes/6443/4 "2009-07-08T16:08:47Z")
I’m used to looking for CAGR as a measure of performance. But I’m not sure that’s the norm here. Some systems seem to be set up for a roughly constant position size, others (like mine) for a roughly constant leverage/margin. I guess I’m committed to the constant leverage path at this point - I started with 7 contracts to be 2x leverage, and am currently at 9. I don’t want to change strategies midstream. - Jamie ---
**Author:** ![Eugene2Furman](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/eugene2furman/32/238_2.png) [@Eugene2Furman](https://forums.collective2.com/u/Eugene2Furman)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2009, 4:31pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/supporting-smaller-position-sizes/6443/5 "2009-07-08T16:31:16Z")
Jamie, In the autotrader on C2 one can specify the maximum number of contracts to trade for a given system. For example, I can specify that I want to trade at 25% of your recommendation but with the maximum number of futures being limited to 2. For example, in the case you increased the number of futures traded from 8 to 9, the number traded in my portfolio would remain as 2. Eugene ---
**Author:** ![GilbertArevalo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/gilbertarevalo/32/193_2.png) [@GilbertArevalo](https://forums.collective2.com/u/GilbertArevalo)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2009, 7:22pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/supporting-smaller-position-sizes/6443/6 "2009-07-08T19:22:26Z")
You can also scale your system down to the new contract amount - all the while keeping your current record (C2 will recalculates the stats).gA