# System: ATPro **URL:** \ **Category:** C2\ **Created:** [July 8, 2014, 9:47am UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/system-atpro/5042 "2014-07-08T09:47:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![FulvioVitex](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/fulviovitex/32/121_2.png) [@FulvioVitex](https://forums.collective2.com/u/FulvioVitex)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2014, 9:47am UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/system-atpro/5042/1 "2014-07-08T09:47:12Z")
I want to start a discussion on this system to warn people not to join it, it’s very very dangerous and I lost huge amount of money with it. They managers have been losing big money for the last two months and they continue to take wrong trades with large SL. Avoid this and if you have experience with it, please share, ---
**Author:** ![goldenpyt](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/goldenpyt/32/238_2.png) [@goldenpyt](https://forums.collective2.com/u/goldenpyt)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2014, 10:19am UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/system-atpro/5042/2 "2014-07-09T10:19:07Z")
Im earning good money with this system, but i manage my own stoploss and others variables, i dont follow 100% of the orders. I think is a good system, but you have to adapt to your way of invest-trading ---
**Author:** ![FulvioVitex](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/fulviovitex/32/121_2.png) [@FulvioVitex](https://forums.collective2.com/u/FulvioVitex)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2014, 10:36am UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/system-atpro/5042/3 "2014-07-09T10:36:52Z")
Thank you for your comment, iwould like to know how you could manage the recent huge DD. Do you place your stops based on what parameters? Do you immediately close trades that you don’t like? Or what? ---
**Author:** ![GSPTrader](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/gsptrader/32/23524_2.png) [@GSPTrader](https://forums.collective2.com/u/GSPTrader)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2014, 10:51am UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/system-atpro/5042/4 "2014-07-09T10:51:45Z")
The important thing to note is that this client chose the point to enter the program. At that time annualized returns were well over 200%. Wouldn 19t that indicate a level of risk in the system? Prior to his entry, there was also a similar drawdown of 20%. Therefore, the current drawdown should not be a surprise. With a highly leveraged futures program, drawdowns are inevitable. Those who do not have the financial or emotional ability to stick with a program should not invest. Persistent negative, sarcastic badgering by this subscriber was also not helpful. GSP ---
**Author:** ![goldenpyt](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/goldenpyt/32/238_2.png) [@goldenpyt](https://forums.collective2.com/u/goldenpyt)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2014, 11:01am UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/system-atpro/5042/5 "2014-07-09T11:01:02Z")
I have a lot of rules, stoploss rules, etc. Is not so different trading directly, that use C2 systems per trading. For example a simple rule that i use and because it i dont have this big DD in ATPro, i dont allow short positions in ES, NQ, or others stock indexes when are in up trend. i dont like operate indexes against the main trend. ---
**Author:** ![FulvioVitex](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/fulviovitex/32/121_2.png) [@FulvioVitex](https://forums.collective2.com/u/FulvioVitex)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2014, 11:08am UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/system-atpro/5042/6 "2014-07-09T11:08:20Z")
Well, I’ll evaluate this as a “normal 20Ý” once the system overcome it, otherwise it will be a failure of the system. Regarding the last observation: this is an old excuse from failing managers: it’s my right to complain as long as I pay you one of the highest subscriptions of C2. You also refused to acknowledge a refund of any kind. ---
**Author:** ![Winning](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/winning/32/1487_2.png) [@Winning](https://forums.collective2.com/u/Winning)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2014, 11:47am UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/system-atpro/5042/7 "2014-07-09T11:47:57Z")
You lost money and are asking for a refund? Lol. ---
**Author:** ![FulvioVitex](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/fulviovitex/32/121_2.png) [@FulvioVitex](https://forums.collective2.com/u/FulvioVitex)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2014, 12:22pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/system-atpro/5042/8 "2014-07-09T12:22:13Z")
Well, dear friend, not for the losses (of course) but for the subscription! Do you think it’s so crazy to ask that? ---
**Author:** ![Winning](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/winning/32/1487_2.png) [@Winning](https://forums.collective2.com/u/Winning)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2014, 12:51pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/system-atpro/5042/9 "2014-07-09T12:51:33Z")
Yes it is. No firm would refund you their commissions/fees/etc just because a client lost money. It’s the risk we all take. ---
**Author:** ![JohnTaylor4](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/johntaylor4/32/238_2.png) [@JohnTaylor4](https://forums.collective2.com/u/JohnTaylor4)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2014, 1:30pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/system-atpro/5042/10 "2014-07-09T13:30:05Z")
I personally think its a good system. Any system with PF around 2 after a few months is doing a pretty good job. ---
**Author:** ![RuleBasedTradingEn](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/rulebasedtradingen/32/520_2.png) [@RuleBasedTradingEn](https://forums.collective2.com/u/RuleBasedTradingEn)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2014, 3:08pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/system-atpro/5042/11 "2014-07-09T15:08:06Z")
You can lose all your money in futures trading. Always be prepared for that scenario ---
**Author:** ![TSH](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/tsh/32/431_2.png) [@TSH](https://forums.collective2.com/u/TSH)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2014, 4:52pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/system-atpro/5042/12 "2014-07-09T16:52:20Z")
I think you can ask for a refund for your paid subscription fees , you should contact C2 not the system developer . ---
**Author:** ![FulvioVitex](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/fulviovitex/32/121_2.png) [@FulvioVitex](https://forums.collective2.com/u/FulvioVitex)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2014, 5:46pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/system-atpro/5042/13 "2014-07-09T17:46:06Z")
System developers can refund subscription or reduce rate to zero upon their decision. C2 can’t refund just because client is unsatisfied. Anyway, thank you everybody for the contributions to this discussion. ---
**Author:** ![TSH](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/tsh/32/431_2.png) [@TSH](https://forums.collective2.com/u/TSH)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2014, 6:08pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/system-atpro/5042/14 "2014-07-09T18:08:24Z")
Who told you that ? Maybe MK can confirm this , ---
**Author:** ![Winning](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/winning/32/1487_2.png) [@Winning](https://forums.collective2.com/u/Winning)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2014, 7:02pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/system-atpro/5042/15 "2014-07-09T19:02:46Z")
C2 will not refund your fees just because you lost money. So i guess C2 will refund listing fees for all developers if their strategy does not perform? Seriously. ---
**Author:** ![TSH](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/tsh/32/431_2.png) [@TSH](https://forums.collective2.com/u/TSH)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2014, 5:27am UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/system-atpro/5042/16 "2014-07-10T05:27:58Z")
Yes they did . ---
**Author:** ![FulvioVitex](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/fulviovitex/32/121_2.png) [@FulvioVitex](https://forums.collective2.com/u/FulvioVitex)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2014, 10:56am UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/system-atpro/5042/17 "2014-07-11T10:56:28Z")
Just an update: system shows no sign of recovery, almost every trade goes in SL. really frustrating. ---
**Author:** ![goldenpyt](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/goldenpyt/32/238_2.png) [@goldenpyt](https://forums.collective2.com/u/goldenpyt)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2014, 2:09pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/system-atpro/5042/18 "2014-07-11T14:09:23Z")
I think he have changed his way to trade, because people like you are all day critizing and this can be very frustrating, he is putting the stoploss very close (as you ask) and this produce that stoploss is touched all time. Please if you dont like the system, unsubscribe, but dont make this hunting because in the end is worst for the system and i dont like to lost money because the system is changed because psicology of others. ---
**Author:** ![FulvioVitex](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/fulviovitex/32/121_2.png) [@FulvioVitex](https://forums.collective2.com/u/FulvioVitex)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2014, 2:26pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/system-atpro/5042/19 "2014-07-11T14:26:16Z")
Dear Nevado, i think what you say is quite ridicolous. A system manager should not be influenced by users opinions or comments or complaints so that he changes his trading style. This would be very worrying about his reliability. It would signal a lack of confidence in himself and in his system. ---
**Author:** ![MarcusLee2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/51bf81/32.png) [@MarcusLee2](https://forums.collective2.com/u/MarcusLee2)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2014, 2:40pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/system-atpro/5042/20 "2014-07-13T14:40:05Z")
If that’s true then what would you need this system for? [Next page](https://forums.collective2.com/t/system-atpro/5042.md?page=2)