# Unbearable slippage **URL:** \ **Category:** C2\ **Created:** [October 21, 2022, 3:36pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/unbearable-slippage/15855 "2022-10-21T15:36:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![TradesAG](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/tradesag/32/17401_2.png) [@TradesAG](https://forums.collective2.com/u/TradesAG)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2022, 3:36pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/unbearable-slippage/15855/1 "2022-10-21T15:36:00Z")
C2 needs to fix the slippage problem by making their trade executions better. As the number of subscribers grows for a strategy the subscriber gets penalized heavily and their account will never match the model account performance. Slippage is unavoidable, I understand that, but something is really off when this is the result. ![image](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/uploads/collective2/original/3X/9/8/9878f62a64c1252b60d88db269aa5bb0d2542786.png) ---
**Author:** ![Kinetic](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/kinetic/32/17122_2.png) [@Kinetic](https://forums.collective2.com/u/Kinetic)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2022, 6:46pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/unbearable-slippage/15855/2 "2022-10-21T18:46:11Z")
I’d be more concerned with the first trade the system made of 10 times its normal size trade that suckers in subscribers. Nearly 90% that month. I honestly don’t care if he does that or starts new systems when they fail the first month but just something to consider. ---
**Author:** ![TradesAG](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/tradesag/32/17401_2.png) [@TradesAG](https://forums.collective2.com/u/TradesAG)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2022, 8:07pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/unbearable-slippage/15855/3 "2022-10-21T20:07:09Z")
That would be a different issue, but I want to highlight the increased slippage with the number of subscribers. ---
**Author:** ![LidorAzulay](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/lidorazulay/32/17987_2.png) [@LidorAzulay](https://forums.collective2.com/u/LidorAzulay)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2022, 8:26pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/unbearable-slippage/15855/4 "2022-10-21T20:26:06Z")
Hi I have a question, does this issue also persists using IBKR broker? ---
**Author:** ![GordonGekko2](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/gordongekko2/32/17122_2.png) [@GordonGekko2](https://forums.collective2.com/u/GordonGekko2)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2022, 10:26pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/unbearable-slippage/15855/5 "2022-10-21T22:26:38Z")
> [@TradesAG](#): > > C2 needs to fix the slippage problem by making their trade executions better This issue has already been discussed here, I believe: > [@Slow MNQ Executions](https://forums.collective2.com/t/slow-mnq-executions/15767): > > I subscribe to one of the most popular systems on C2 – LUCIDMNQ. As it becomes more popular, the slippage becomes more of an issue. Currently each trade results in about 130 MNQ contracts being issued as market orders. My understanding is that C2 paces these market orders in order to not flood the market, which could result in poor executions. This makes sense to me. The problem is that I think C2 is doling these orders out too slowly – I’m guessing around 1 contract per second. The result is th… ---
**Author:** ![Peter](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/peter/32/238_2.png) [@Peter](https://forums.collective2.com/u/Peter)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2022, 11:18am UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/unbearable-slippage/15855/6 "2022-10-22T11:18:25Z")
Yep already discussed - the main issue is that CME will not accept too many orders hitting the same price at the same time - limiting it to one per second, but this increased to one processed every 3 seconds with a more recent trade ( 14 minutes for 300 odd transactions) - this will result in poorer results in some cases and better in others - the issue is whether investors can live with the ups and downs. Overall it is a great system and you have the alternative swing, with far less subscribers…thus far ---
**Author:** ![c2125358467](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/c2125358467/32/17122_2.png) [@c2125358467](https://forums.collective2.com/u/c2125358467)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2022, 3:36pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/unbearable-slippage/15855/7 "2022-10-22T15:36:49Z")
Are the fills between different subscribers at least random or fearly distributed on different trades so its not all the time the same subs getting 3 seconds delay and some get 3 minutes every time. If thats the case investors might be able to live with it. For intraday trades it will be hard anyway though. ---
**Author:** ![Peter](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/peter/32/238_2.png) [@Peter](https://forums.collective2.com/u/Peter)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2022, 5:08pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/unbearable-slippage/15855/8 "2022-10-22T17:08:04Z")
Random, which means you can be unlucky for a few trades in a row…or lucky. Even with longer delays, this system has been profitable to date, by targeting bigger gains overall. However, the risk is always there that if you are caught in one of those 14 min long delays slippage could be much higher. ---
**Author:** ![HungryPelicanTrad](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/hungrypelicantrad/32/17122_2.png) [@HungryPelicanTrad](https://forums.collective2.com/u/HungryPelicanTrad)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2022, 9:12pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/unbearable-slippage/15855/9 "2022-10-22T21:12:50Z")
The SM had addressed this… and that trade was before subscribers. He has said he will keep position size consistent, now that he has followers. It would certainly be a red flag if I saw a manager adding to any losing positions.