# What's wrong with this picture? **URL:** \ **Category:** C2\ **Created:** [August 10, 2024, 6:24pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/whats-wrong-with-this-picture/16579 "2024-08-10T18:24:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![RightTrade](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/righttrade/32/18645_2.png) [@RightTrade](https://forums.collective2.com/u/RightTrade)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 6:24pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/whats-wrong-with-this-picture/16579/1 "2024-08-10T18:24:28Z")
While searching for C2 systems that return at least 100% per year on average (after 1 year of trading or more) I found this one here (see image below). And as you can see, the system made 404.2% in… **November** 2024 ?!?! > **[Strat A](https://collective2.com/details/145156204)** > > Strat A - trading strategy on Collective2 Sure, why not, who needs August, September or even October after all, let’s trade directly in November and make over 400% in a single month! Jokes aside I am sure it’s only a temporary glitch (trade manager last login was more than 8 months ago anyway). EDIT: As expected this error has now been removed. ---
**Author:** ![RightTrade](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/righttrade/32/18645_2.png) [@RightTrade](https://forums.collective2.com/u/RightTrade)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 11:09pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/whats-wrong-with-this-picture/16579/2 "2024-08-10T23:09:25Z")
That said and according to the Grid there are only 2 Collective2 trading strategies making over 100% a year after at least 1 year of trading, the other systems are inactive, seem abandoned or unable to accept subscribers, for whatever reason. That shows that doubling our trading capital every year is extremely hard to do consistently, unless the trader is willing to use more leverage and take bigger (but hopefully calculated) risk. ---
**Author:** ![MiddleMan](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/middleman/32/18645_2.png) [@MiddleMan](https://forums.collective2.com/u/MiddleMan)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2024, 4:44am UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/whats-wrong-with-this-picture/16579/3 "2024-08-11T04:44:05Z")
Most likely an expired futures contract that was wrongly settled at zero and still open . ---
**Author:** ![MiddleMan](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/middleman/32/18645_2.png) [@MiddleMan](https://forums.collective2.com/u/MiddleMan)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2024, 5:31pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/whats-wrong-with-this-picture/16579/5 "2024-08-11T17:31:32Z")
Its stuck and still open although expired at zero , its an error for sure .Actually check his system details tab and you will see that the funds are being used as margin which indicates he has an open position stuck . ---
**Author:** ![MiddleMan](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/middleman/32/18645_2.png) [@MiddleMan](https://forums.collective2.com/u/MiddleMan)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2024, 5:56pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/whats-wrong-with-this-picture/16579/7 "2024-08-11T17:56:29Z")
Yes his expired open position is in December 2023 . ---
**Author:** ![RightTrade](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/righttrade/32/18645_2.png) [@RightTrade](https://forums.collective2.com/u/RightTrade)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2024, 6:17pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/whats-wrong-with-this-picture/16579/8 "2024-08-11T18:17:58Z")
Thanks for your explanations. The error has been promptly corrected as you can see. ---
**Author:** ![MiddleMan](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/middleman/32/18645_2.png) [@MiddleMan](https://forums.collective2.com/u/MiddleMan)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2024, 6:40pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/whats-wrong-with-this-picture/16579/9 "2024-08-11T18:40:10Z")
Oh great make sense now … ---
**Author:** ![RightTrade](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex028/user_avatar/forums.collective2.com/righttrade/32/18645_2.png) [@RightTrade](https://forums.collective2.com/u/RightTrade)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2024, 7:11pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/whats-wrong-with-this-picture/16579/10 "2024-08-11T19:11:40Z")
> [@MiddleMan](#): > > Oh great make sense now … Indeed. Anyway, it was not a big deal, I just wanted to know if C2 systems with 100% average annual return do exist. From the Grid we can see that no trade leader has been able to accomplish such a feat so far, if we select 730 days (2 years) for the strategy’s age (the ones that appear are no longer active and/or their status is unknown).