# Where to find the unrealized loss
**URL:** https://forums.collective2.com/t/where-to-find-the-unrealized-loss/11460
**Category:** Trading and Markets
**Created:** [February 25, 2018, 5:42am UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/where-to-find-the-unrealized-loss/11460 "2018-02-25T05:42:59Z")
**Posts on this page:** 8
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### Author:  [@DinCha](https://forums.collective2.com/u/DinCha)
#### Post date: [February 25, 2018, 5:42am UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/where-to-find-the-unrealized-loss/11460/1 "2018-02-25T05:42:59Z")
Hi,
I am wondering where to find the unrealized loss (or profit) of a strategy before subscribing. Is it available ?
Thanks
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### Author:  [@JITF](https://forums.collective2.com/u/JITF)
#### Post date: [February 25, 2018, 5:57am UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/where-to-find-the-unrealized-loss/11460/2 "2018-02-25T05:57:59Z")
Equity curve shows real time profits and losses. Open positions are hidden from non-subscribers.
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### Author:  [@DinCha](https://forums.collective2.com/u/DinCha)
#### Post date: [February 25, 2018, 6:07am UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/where-to-find-the-unrealized-loss/11460/3 "2018-02-25T06:07:16Z")
Thanks for the reply.
I don’t open positions are only for the subscribers.
Is it possible to derive the unrealized profit/loss as a single figure (in total) from the information available for non-subscribers ?
Thanks
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### Author:  [@JITF](https://forums.collective2.com/u/JITF)
#### Post date: [February 25, 2018, 8:04am UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/where-to-find-the-unrealized-loss/11460/4 "2018-02-25T08:04:17Z")
No, it is not possible.
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### Author:  [@OrderFlowVector](https://forums.collective2.com/u/OrderFlowVector)
#### Post date: [February 25, 2018, 1:11pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/where-to-find-the-unrealized-loss/11460/5 "2018-02-25T13:11:36Z")
You can figure it out (roughly) from the equity curve, list of closed trades, and Num Trades figure above the chart. Example:
> **[JW EQUITIES](https://collective2.com/details/116636502)**
>
> A trading strategy on Collective2. Follow along in your own brokerage account, or try it with a free simulated account.
Don’t want to pick on anybody, but in this example the vendor started with $50,000, made 11 trades in all, closed one trade for -$285, and has 10 open trades that are collectively showing a further loss of approx $588 ($50,000 - 285 - 588 = $49127 (current equity).
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### Author:  [@OrderFlowVector](https://forums.collective2.com/u/OrderFlowVector)
#### Post date: [February 25, 2018, 9:04pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/where-to-find-the-unrealized-loss/11460/6 "2018-02-25T21:04:12Z")
Well that’s weird … since I posted this, C2 revealed another closed trade in the record - a $50 profit trading XOM. So that makes the unrealized profit/loss for this example a negative $638. Anyway, you get the idea.
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### Author:  [@DinCha](https://forums.collective2.com/u/DinCha)
#### Post date: [February 25, 2018, 10:59pm UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/where-to-find-the-unrealized-loss/11460/7 "2018-02-25T22:59:08Z")
Thank you very much Mark, Yes I got the idea. I have two points to clarify further.
1. If the strategy has been around for several years, in order to calculate the Profit/loss of the close trades, I must add all of them right ? I believe that number doesn’t available right away.
2. Where did you find the initial amount, in this case 50K ? Is it shown on the Strategy page ?
Thanks again .
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### Author:  [@OrderFlowVector](https://forums.collective2.com/u/OrderFlowVector)
#### Post date: [February 26, 2018, 1:56am UTC](https://forums.collective2.com/t/where-to-find-the-unrealized-loss/11460/8 "2018-02-26T01:56:57Z")
If you place your cursor at the far left of the equity graph, at the first data point at 9:30 am, it shows the equity value at the commencement of trading was $49,845, which would represent $50,000 starting capital minus commissions/fees of his initial trades. So it looks like he chose $50,000 to start with. And yes, for systems that have been running for a long time, you have to add up the profit/loss of the closed trades by downloading the CSV. This number is not shown in the Statistics.