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Day Trading? Yes!

Let me guess, system shorted vxx today. Telegraphed.

I thought to add some significant information about this strategy.

This is the main report of the strategy as produced by Tradestation.

Let’s analyze the risk/reward.

For long trades is 64.13%
For short trades it is 70.65%
The average for all the trades is 69.29%
The risk/reward is 1.58

It is important for us as investors to know these data because they create our basis for understanding what we should expect from the strategy and how it works.

In fact, each time we send orders to the market, we can say what the results of the trade will be “statistically” if we continue to do so for 1,000 times or more. The strategy produces a little more than 100 trades a year and the results are statistically very similar every year.

These results have significance only if we carry out a large number of trades that will enable the statistics to be expressed and have no meaning when we want to examine a single trade or a small number of trades.

The best known example is of course the casinos whose profits are based solely on statistics. If, for example, a gambler bet only once on the red of the roulette wheel, then he can earn or lose. If he will continue to that enough times then his loss is guaranteed and the casino will make a “statistical profits”.

If we want to make a profit in the market then we have to behave like a casino and make “statistical profits”.
If we do not do enough trades, then we will not allow the statistics to be expressed and what will really be expressed is only our luck.

Because we are all human beings with known weaknesses, we must recognize that loss causes us almost three times as much pain compare to the joy which come after profit, so we must take that into account when deciding how much money to allocate to the strategy. This must be an amount that the DD level will not cause us so much suffering that will lead us to abandon the strategy at the very least appropriate moment.

Another solution for our fears is to start investing a small amount and add funds after receiving confidence in the performance.

By the way, statistically, it is worthwhile to start investing in any strategy after a losses, which increases the chances for profits in the short term. For the long term, this timing has no special significance…

In order to generate profits we must have patience so we can make a profit like the casino and not lose money like the usual gambler.

How long is that time period for that backtest?

The expectancy I calculate on that backtest is 0.79R.

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You equate the Average Risk to Reward Ratio to the Percent Profitable Ratio (in this case 69.29%) which is incorrect…

The avg. risk to avg. reward ratio has to be used in combination with the percent profitable ratio to compute the edge which in your case is 0.795.


Since January 30, 2009

The risk/reward is calculated automatically by TradeStation

It is important to understand how this strategy works…

The strategy is looking for volatility that rises or falls significantly and joins it.
Therefore, when volatility is as high as was in November-December, its results are higher than in January-February, which were characterized by low volatility…

Robert, I don’t know what TradeStation is doing but this is not a risk/reward ratio. It’s a win percentage.

Risk/reward is usually defined as the average winning trade divided by the absolute value of the average losing trade.

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The risk/reward for all the trades, long and short, is 1.58…


Jan 29


The average risk/reward for all the trades is 69.29%

"You equate the Average Risk to Reward Ratio to the Percent Profitable Ratio (in this case 69.29%) which is incorrect…

The avg. risk to avg. reward ratio has to be used in combination with the percent profitable ratio to compute the edge which in your case is 0.795."

You should be honest and admit that you changed and corrected your original post. In the original post you stated that the risk/reward ratio for all trades is 69.29%, see my post of Jan 29 where I copied your statement from your original post which is proof that you changed your original post.

Everybody can make mistakes but you should be honest enough to admit it and not try to conceal it by changing your post retroactively.

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Nice but on your strategy now dose not look so good in tradestation back testing can do curve fitting seems like what happen here

You are right… :slight_smile: I corrected today the risk/reward and it is 1.58…
The most important thing is that you can see the risk/reward in the report above and able to evaluate the strategy performance by yourself…

I suggest ignoring all the noise around us and concentrating on the important things…

The performance graph is covering more than 10 years and you can’t see the small movements between the months…

Please don’t forget that the strategy was built under a number of important principles:

  1. Low DD
  2. Low risk - Trading without leverage
  3. Low risk - Many sub strategies
  4. High performance - In back testing and live trading

Please check again next month :slight_smile:
Hope to see you on board :+1:

When Robert “discovered” (aka marketing) day trading as ‘THE ANSWER’, of course, it was strategy equity peak. Six months after, it just simple statistic about day trading systems. Also backtesting of this strategy more like a perfect example of strategy curve fitting.

On a positive note, the strategy is dying slowly.

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What is the limit, or the goal is achieved right now (developers needs to be responsible for own BS versus subsribers for losing money)?

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Six months and it never happened. You should never post stuff that is a false promise.

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