"You’ll find algorithms developed by physicists in Moscow, traders in New York, programmers in Mumbai."
That’s not something I’d promote, having seen typical Indian programming standards.
Mumbai is in India? Oh.
Hmm… Who are what are you quoting? I must have missed it.
Mumbai… Bombay…meh
Oh those friendly (for real) programmers over there.
My last job, a conference call with IT:
We: So, what’s the status Apu?
Them: We are hardly working on it sir!
Says it all.
on the contrary, Indian programmers & engineers can be exceptionally high quality. I have worked with them onshore and offshore. I think your assessment of them is quite inaccurate.
And they have many schools that are equal or better than many in the West.
And when Indians come to the west, they tend to excel in math, technical studies and other areas compared to their peers.
Generalizations are often inaccurate and there are obviously going to be some amazing Indian programmers but I am basing this on my real world observations which is based on my experience as working in Fortune 500 companies.
One company, I’ll let go unnamed, brought me in and showed me the code their Indian unit was making: it made no sense. It was not bad coding but was just garbled together text. I was brought in as contractor and took the project that was in dire straights and over a year past due to a ready state in 1 month. There is a high degree of discrimination too in the IT field as managers are chosen for communication skills with offshore entities. Regardless, this individual who I worked for, acknowledged that I was better then 5 or 6 of their foreign programmers but said he regretted paying me every penny. And, they decided to continue to use their off shore programmers because it was they had an investment stake in them.
The Indian government has been aggressively, aggressively promoting their citizens to work in IT. Just as all people are not suited to becoming doctors or lawyers or basketball players, many are not suited to becoming programmers. It is, also, very easy to observe objectively the requirements for most US corporations by checking Indian job boards: the requirements are often laughable compared to U.S requirements.
As for mathematics, it is only applicable to certain programming challenges and is not a great indicator of general ability. I have met many programmers who were promoted due to mathematical degree but lacked the ability to organize large projects effectively.
But, yes, I agree there are probably some really dedicated, professional, and expert Indians but there is also this other side which I’ve observed primarily.
I am basing this on my real world observations which is based on my experience as working in Fortune 500 companies.
So am I.
Go India! Come on people, do we need a lesson on racial equality? I’m sure there are good and bad programmer in Mumbai, just like there are good and bad programmers in South San Francisco. Plus, somehow working for a “Fortune 500” company gives you credibility. Were you the CEO or the guy who refilled the snack food machine. If the later, may I suggest you stock more banana flips in the future, i just love those.
You are missing the entire point: no one has suggested this has anything to do with racial issues. The point being is that India is known for providing cheap programming with known quality control issues: I’ve hinted that a possible reason for these troubles is due to the government and public policies war like, and aggressive desire to control the IT segment. Most people don’t realize this, though, what war is: like yourself.
This statement was used to as a juxtaposition and to contrast the diversity and strengths of the better c2 vendors against those that were really bad. The statement relies on stereotypes. The fact that there may be great programmers in Mumbai does not change the fact that most companies go there simply because it is cheap even though it is lower quality.
I may, indeed, get a better meal at A particular Taco Bell then a more expensive restaurant but it would not make sense for me to use that to, for example, highlight high-end cuisine. Basically, it was an ironic statement.
“You’ll find algorithms developed by physicists in Moscow, traders in New York, programmers in Mumbai.”
Curtis,
We all get it. You are the best!
Now will you shut up. PLEEEESE. Your making me wish for Palsun’s return.
Don’t even say it in jest. Consider lack-of-Palsun a blessing and leave it there!
