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Let’s say…
But we didn’t do that, also you can see the history.
and our system working for some time, so your claim has no basis.
Again as we said people will have to say something good or bad on each situation no matter what you will do.
No one asking you to subscribe to the strategy, who will like our work will join us.
There are people who also join a strategy with 80%+ drawdown so go figure…

Again guys I’m sure you trade better, you should open a strategy and show your performance, it’s very easy to judge others and criticize everyone.

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Hey Avi, I wasn’t talking about your system or claiming that you tried anything unfair. I was just replying to LiveForexSignals comment in which he claims that the “real drawdown” is just the drawdown below starting equity!

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Just looking at your trades it seems like you’ve been employing a martingale strategy just within the last couple of months, starting in August. In fact in your trader description you say that you hate leverage and avoid it at all costs. Your trading before August was amazing. I wonder why the switch in methodology?

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You like to lecture us about the “danger” of leverage, don’t you?

And yet you did not hesitate to risk almost 10% of your capital in a single trade (Ethos Swing system)!

And care to explain why over 70% of your systems are in “private” mode?

See, before criticizing other people’s systems, make sure yours are already perfect.

Anyway.

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Sure, I’m always happy to discuss my strategies. All of my private strategies are futures that did not meet the CStar requirements. They average losses of about 10% - just enough to miss the CStar requirements. I’m trying to adapt my personal futures strategy into one that can achieve CStar certification and pass the TopStepTrader combines. My current futures strategy has passed step 1 on TopStepTrader and the first month of CStar.

As for Ethos Swing, it has survived through two market pullbacks now and is outperforming the S&P 500 with a smaller draw down than the market (real DD, not your definition). It’s the third highest performing IRA-friendly strategy on C2. You’ll also notice that Ethos Swing started the same time I started on C2. Never restarted and it never will be.

I would never claim that my strategies are perfect, but they have longevity, won’t blowup, and will beat the market with strong risk controls - unlike 90% of professionals and strategies that use 40x leverage.

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Of course, but these traders will never able to build a solid track record with luck alone, that’s for sure.

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They’re not trying to build a solid track record. They’re trying to dupe a few subscribers with unsustainable returns at extremely high subscription rates for a few months until their martingale system collapses.

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Well, people are free to invest their money as they see fit, and a lot of traders like to get high returns fast, regardless of risk and/or drawdown.

In fact, I am sure most traders would love to make $200K in 6 months with a 50% drawdown, than 5% a year with a 5% drawdown.

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So this casino player never doubled his money, it did not happen.

Right… :thinking:

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@JITF - God forbid we use two different metrics to measure performance and risk.

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You doubled money (1000 to 2000), but at the same time you experienced 99.97% drawdown. First and second events are independent and can be observed at the same time.

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This is not how regulators calculate drawdown. They don’t care if you’re playing with “house money” or not – that’s not material. They measure (and thus C2 calculates) the maximum peak-to-valley drawdown, regardless of whether it is “paid for” with “profits” that have been gained through the use of the strategy.

One reason for this is that people can join trading strategies (or hedge funds, or commodity pools, or whatever) at any time, and thus there is no guarantee that everyone will be playing with house money. In fact, it’s probable that most people join investments after the early profits have been made.

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