Hello Osutai, I see you signed up to my strategy, welcome. I definitely wouldnāt say allocating less than 60k is meaningless, even a gain of a few percentage points would make it more than worth it- which from past performance should happen, I just donāt want to guarantee any exact numbers. As far as what separates my strategy, the fact that I am spreading the money across the seven most traded currencies and the 21 combinations that are associated with them. This I believe makes the strategy more diversified than others, then we apply leverage to take advantage of a probable edge. The draw down is only significant because of the gains being targeted, into the 3 digits per year. I could definitely trade this strategy with a lower draw down, but thatās not what people necessarily want. Say this strategy is going to return 200% a year with a DD of -20% and I drop the position sizes to 1/10th, so I am making 20% a year with a draw down of only -2%, nobody will pay attention to it. I would be beating most indexes with low draw down alone, but sadly most people donāt remember the -60% drop in 2009. Yes, some of the more intelligent people will follow it, but the majority will look elsewhere, itās not worth posting on here for just a few clients. Iām looking to get 50-100 clients.
Getting clients off of C2 involves more than just being profitable, one has to be pushing the envelope to get attention and be skilled enough to do this competently.
Most important is my experience, I have over 17 years trading currencies, still using the same account I opened in 2001. There may be better currency traders than me, but compared to the majority, Iām the difference between having a chance or losing your account by yourself.
p.s. Each trade is considered an individual trade averaging about -1.5% when stopped out, this is considered acceptable for a trade loss.
That article is about as good an answer Matthew can give.
Still, I wish they would close down the BS strategies with BS track records (you guys know who I am talking about). Would add a lot of legitimacy to the site.
If c2 become a TOS only, link with IB, TD, and all other brokerage firms then c2 will truely become the full potenial of what I think it can be.
In regard that article, sad part is most subscriber wonāt even stick around after 1 bad month, let alone 2-3 bad months. Why? Too many new comers, too many strategies to choose from and too easy to jump ships. Atleast in a hedge fund, most investor will let a shit fund ride for 6 months to 2 yrs. (Pershing square) they have redemption lock period or some has blackout periods.
Maybe a quarterly fee discount or annual fee discount would be great idea. That way subscriber already pay ahead. Then again I can see a lot of scammer will take advantage of this also. They would want you to pay 12 months in advance and bail.
For someone with as limited experience as yourself, you sure speak in absolutes.
First off, itās not just up to C2 with regards to what brokerage they want and can link to, there are many reasons brokerages donāt want their clients linking account. That goes back to what I originally said about minimal contract sizes being too large to trade a small account with, but this seemed too confusing for some of us. That in turn leads to why you canāt have only TOS, you canāt expect people to have 100s and 100s and 100s of thousands of dollars to link to accounts, sure there may be one or two people on here, but for the most part youāre delusional. Yeah, one could trade leveraged ( I do), but if you force that situation, youāll miss the guys that are higher skilled in managing funds without leverage - which happens to be how the larger institutions trade. You are going to squeeze out hundreds of potentially awesome traders, just because they donāt have money.
2nd, most traders have blown out multiple accounts, you have traders that have risked everything and lost everything. Marriages, family, inheritances and if you donāt think this is true, ask yourself why youāre not at the top of the leader boards, why arenāt you respected on Elitetrader or Trade2win? Why, because you havenāt paid those dues and you never will. Ok? The absolute baddest traders have lost everything and some of them are on this site, crawling out of holes.
Go look up the definition of name dropper, thatās all you are, talking about this and that as if you know anything. If you know so much about these other funds, go there. TOS or not, you have know idea if these people are even trading there own money or just got in there, because like you, they just āname droppedā some school they went to.
I agree on the change to a minimum of 6 months and I am currently having to work through this, but the TOS option already works as a filter, if you need that then by all means use it.
Osutai, I will commend you though, because your self confidence in your self absorption is impressive. You remind me of one of those narrow minded friends one invites over and they pick apart everything that could be fixed at your house, the paint peeling, the lawn edging, some pickets on the fence. Matthew has decades of work that has gone into this site and you just walk through here picking everything apart as if youāre some master craftsman.
Well, I got new for you, youāre not.
p.s. As for quarterly fees, that has already been tried, but you knew this, you know everything. I guarantee there is not one single idea you can come up with that Matthew hasnāt either tried or completely reasoned why not to implement it.
Good night 
I express my opinion and you went on a personal attack. Very professional.
As you said, many trader have blown out many many accounts. So I want to follow those traders? So next time they blow up their account, my autotrade should follow too? Oh wait, they only blew up their paper account, but I blew up a real account.
Also I do have other account with TD and Schwab that does what c2 does. It follows every trade another brokerage does with scale. Itās actually very common with other advisory firms. A master acct link to a bunch sub acct that mirrors the master acct. So having more brokerage firm partner is completely up to c2 and other brokerage firm agreement.
How many thousands have you loss on c2? I know I have. Iām just expressing my experience, I didnāt bash any strategy or you. Why are you taking it so personally?
You are missing the point.
Please look at these systems.
There are many more. But turned private; so it is not possible to see them, like Gigo3 or McProTrader.
Point is that they overleveraged, you can see example on Alpha and Omega, with subscribers money. Or shorting VIX calls on already thin market, If you think this is good trading, or good way to manage other people money; we are on different side of that.
This was 100 % TOS.
Agree that TOS is no guarantee.
Problem is you have people just changing name, IP, and doing same old over and over again;
with very risky products like VXX options, VIX futures, or overleveraging (example, 7-10 ES contracts on 25 K account).
Maybe solution to this is simple, for trading futures. Use only IB or Gain futures maintenace margins, believe they are around 6000 per contract; and not those 500 $ per ES for daytrade.
I have way, way more experience in this realm than you ever will. I went out of my way to explain to you why having only TOS strategies wasnāt a benefit, yet it still doesnāt seem to register with you. Apparently the concept of position size, contract size and diversification is too much for you.
Why am I taking it personally? It should be completely obvious, you are a threat to my income. I donāt have 100s of thousands of dollars to apply to multiple strategies that I know. Iāve stated now multiple times, the proper way to showcase a strategy is with an account with a higher balance, because of platform restrictions. You desperately pushing an issue that you can work around could cost me 10s, potentially 100s of thousands of dollars.
Not only is this obvious, I outright said it.
Iām not missing the point.
I am the point, Iām the tip of the fcking spear.
Your first problem is, you were hunting for 1000s of percentage points per year using traders with zero experience hiding behind fake names, not even filling out their profile, then cry foul when they blew out. Dumb move.
Donāt mind me as I shamelessly promote my strategy.
Currently I subscribe to 3 strategy that is TOS, 3 is NOT. I like TOS strategies over non TOS thatās is just my personal opinion. I have reservation of someone managing my funds when they arenāt willing to put some skin in the game. Or they canāt afford 10k or 25k in a brokerage account should I trust them with my money?
Iām sorry my opinion is a threat to your income. Thatās not my intention. And I donāt know why u keep saying TOS cost you 100ās and thousands of dollars when so many manager on c2 have no issue having $5k or $1mil TOS account. Iām not bashing you or your strategy. I will just leave it at that, I wish u the best with your strategy and success here on c2.
Itās possible. My record is about 5 000 subscribers on other resources and + 100 000 USD profit per month from subscriptions. This was in 2014. AUM 20 000 000 USD. But the broker behaved dishonestly and everything evaporated. Since everything was tied to one account. This became my lesson. We move on to our goal.
One idea would be to hold back subscriber fee for a month and only pay if there is a positive outcome for the system. I suppose C2 would also lose out on this. Perhaps if C2 still took their percentage for the month and return the balance to the subscriber.
Sounds professional. Nothing like a bulletproof ego. Canāt wait to invest. Good luck. 
This wonāt work, it is too much like pay per performance. C2 will have a whole lot of regulation that will be applied to them if this happens. They will no longer be a signal provider service, but a financial advisory service.
Mikhail, When you had 5,000 subscribers and were making $100,000 monthly, that wasnāt on C2, right? Where did you have that many subscribers?
Since we donāt promote other sites on C2, Iāll ask you instead to contact Mikhail via PM.
It is forbidden to talk about other services here. The rules must be observed. If you are interested write to me.
@NQFUTURESTIMER, I wonāt go into names but there are many forex brokers brokers that have managed accounts trading systems but almost none which permit futures/options trading systems which a trader/investor can subscribe to. But to my knowledge most of them are restricted to forex. I use to subscribe to some of them but they all have good and bad runs just like C2 systems.
he proofs my point exactly about a few minor issue with c2. iām still wondering why he stop using heās old user name Lefty and abandon the other 7 forex strategy he promoted here back in 2015.
In my experience C2 is light year ahead of them.
And most of them being B book brokers; trading against clients and many other unethical
things (āvoidingā profits is among most used; when client makes a lot of money).
There are few exceptions; based in EU; but rest are to be avoided.
