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HOWEVER, what is NOT visible (unless you subscribe) is the fact that this strategy is catastrophically in the RED, with (currently) over -$18K of losses on the books, going back as fas as January 2025, that do NOT appear to reflected in the monthly stats, and if it is, then certainly not in the list of practically all green trades:
So, what’s not squaring with me (or seems totally above board) is, when I look at the strat stats and track record (without being able to see open positions), it looks like it can’t miss a trade. But in reality, my P&L looks a WHOLE lot different:
Now, in the description, the strat manager goes over “scaling in and out of” positions to a max loss (whatever that can be at this point I have no idea) that then triggers a SL. He’s not doing anything that I can tell that is not in the strat description.
So, what’s the stats loophole in C2 that the strat manager appears to be (successfully) hiding their horrific trading record behind? Glancing at it, you sure wouldn’t guess/see that you’d be holding over -$18K of realized and unrealized losses (some since January!) that have yet to be reported anywhere visible.
(PS. I know some of you look for any excuse to be a jackass to anyone that asks a question. Please move on, I’m legitimately curious, I assume I’m missing something obvious.)
The losses absolutely ARE incorporated into all the stats, in near realtime, including monthly returns, equity chart, statistics, etc.
We just do not display the actual open position details. But losses are part of the results. Otherwise, no one would ever close losing positions, which would be silly.
Thanks Matthew. That’s actually what this strat appears to be doing, pretty much never closing a losing position (hence one being open since January, and another since May, and all three open positions being DEEP in the red) to keep the per-trade displayed record almost completely green, which of course could be a bit misleading without seeing the massive open red positions, being trading within daily, but none of those trades being shown since they are all within an open position. If there is any gray area, that is probably it.
Glad to hear that those huge open losses ARE reflected in the monthly performance stats, thanks.
Thus strategy has a max leverage of over 20. Strategies taking such high leverage usually eventually blow up. The returns and the max DD so far do not reflect the hidden risk.
Really, C2 should have some kind of warning disclaimer for prospective subscribers. For C2 to have long term growth, subscribers need to be making a profit over the long term.
Even the C2 Star program was a failure. Most of the strategies in C2 star were futures strategies with big leverage. C2 Star is overly strict about normal risk ( regular drawdowns ) but there are no rules about the hidden risk from high leverage.
