Observations on Collective2 Automated Strategy Performance After One Month

Hello everyone, I’ve been managing an automated trading strategy on Collective2 for approximately one month. While this is a relatively short period, I’ve encountered several significant issues that raise serious concerns about the platform’s automated execution capabilities, particularly for those relying on 100% automation. I believe sharing these observations is crucial for the community, especially since the existing documentation lacks crucial details. Background:
My strategy is designed for intraday futures trading on the NQ. It utilizes a proprietary algorithm based on momentum and volatility. Automation: I’ve opted for 100% automation to ensure consistent execution and eliminate manual intervention. * Account Size: My test account has a balance of $50,000. * C2Star Program: As a side note, I’ve applied twice for the C2Star program. My experience has been disappointing. The evaluation process seems solely focused on raw P&L, ignoring the nuances of strategy implementation and execution quality. It feels more like a simplistic prop firm test than a comprehensive evaluation of a strategy’s potential. Key Issues and Concerns: * Inconsistent Order Execution: * I’ve observed frequent instances where orders generated by my strategy are not executed. This appears to be related to fluctuating margin requirements and the platform’s algorithmic decision-making. * Example: When attempting to initiate a position of 2 NQH5 contracts, the system sometimes fails to execute, citing insufficient margin. However, the system allows the accumulation of up to 12 NQH5 contracts if they are triggered individually over time. This discrepancy suggests an inconsistency in margin calculation and order processing. * This is a serious issue that can drastically alter the intended risk profile of a strategy. * Order Queuing and Off-Timing Execution: * The system appears to “queue” excess orders, executing them at its discretion, often leading to significant timing discrepancies. * Example: When a test order of 15 NQ contracts was sent to test max capacity, the system initially executed 12. Subsequently, after the take-profit bracket was touched, instead of closing the position, the system started executing the remaining 3 contracts piecemeal, at significantly unfavorable prices and times. * This resulted in random and unpredictable outcomes, with profits and losses determined by the platform’s timing rather than the strategy’s logic. * This queuing behaviour can easily lead to slippage and large unexpected losses. * Discrepancy Between Real-Life and Collective2 Performance: * My strategy’s performance in a real-life trading environment consistently outperforms its performance on Collective2 by approximately 20%. * This discrepancy is primarily attributed to the platform’s missed trades and off-timing executions. *

I will keep testing it, Next time I’ll bring a short video link of my findings.
I hope these observations will be helpful to other users and contribute to improving the Collective2 platform.
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My suggestion would be to dial down the leverage. I don’t know many C2 investors who would be comfortable throwing down 10 NQ trades. This would probably also resolve the issues you are running into with C2’s margin calculations. Along those lines, you may want to consider offering an MNQ version of your system.

Thank you Gary, what you say it’s true. And if your main goal is to bring investors into your management, this could be a good param to discard a strategy.
My main goal is different, I’m here to run an automated strategy and I’m testing the limits.
I’m also interested in having stats around my system. Unfortunately not all the trades post over here. Again, this is just for testing.
And while I have your attention, @GaryLynn2 if I wanted to bring investors, even being in the top 5 would just represent a 5k monthly income after fees…
No C2STAR running in top50. So not even being ultra cautious bring investors in.

ares/ares P2/ares NQ are probably bringing in about $14K/mo to the SM. That’s after a 4.5-year track record and pretty impressive performance (although it currently is reaching the prior max DD). It sounds like you are just wanting to use C2 to test out your system, but if you did really want to bring in subscribers then you would need to offer something that could be traded with a $100K account, not drawdown more than 20% and make 40% or more per year. If it is TOS-certified then that would likely attract subscribers faster.

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