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Top systems but no TOS…

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Here are some TOS systems for you:

As you can see TOS may be a false sense of security thinking you are more likely to not blow up your account.


TOS may be a false sense of security, but NO TOS must be insecure. Besides, their historical trading positions are more important. What you are showing is not systemaic trading.

The person asked for TOS without specifying it being systematic and implying it is inherently better. I merely pointed how the flaw in that perspective. If you have a great brokerage that isn’t on the approved list it’s a big gamble switching to get C2 TOS. Now you have to learn their interface and is that going to change your P&L. Some brokers may liquidate some of your positions depending on current market risk even if you have risk measures in place. Imagine how frustrating that would be if your current broker doesn’t do that at the same level as the one you switch to does. Some brokers have proprietary features that you use and now give up. As I hope others can see it is not a simple decision to make.


Agree with @NextLevelTrader TOS is no guarantee of success. On the contrary, it might actually do worse if trade leader is not a seasoned trader. Having your own money on the line makes less experienced traders do crazy things while going through a drawdown.( revenge trading/martingaling etc etc. I have gone through that phase :wink: )

Now for the record, I trade my own systems in my main IB account and if you need proof, I will have to take you to a competitor website (and many broker sites shows the results as well), which I will not mention here for obvious reason. I am maintaining a smaller account (Gain Capital) there to drive the systems on that platform. If anyone interested, pm me.

Trading other peoples money (OPM) is a far different game than trading one’s own account. There are psychological pressures that are not anticipated, which get even worse with a gain (greed, fear of losing) or a loss (hope, fear, doubling down.) Staying with a system is difficult and only gets harder with your own money on the line.

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Per the linked post and table, over the period measured TOS did do better on average than general popularity board. It was a short measurement period, but certainly an interesting data point to consider.



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